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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Pauls
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 7:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Element Quiz Answer

Bev is now off my Christmas Card list....


Doug Pauls
Principal Materials and Process Engineer Rockwell Collins

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 3:17 PM, David Hillman < [log in to unmask]> wrote:

> And that now makes Bev an honorary member of the EQAB! Its getting 
> harder to disqualify Doug so I need all the help I can get and my 
> chemistry knowledge is shaky at times! Guess Doug and I took the same 
> chemistry class!
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Bev Christian 
> <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Doug,
> > There is also a slight problem with your chemical formula.
> > SO2NO4 stands for one sulfur atom, two oxygen atoms, one nitrogen 
> > atom
> and
> > four oxygen atoms.
> >
> > I would humbly like to offer some comments and suggestions.
> > 1) If you meant So2NO4, then you are implying an anion of NO4 
> > (charge unknown). Such an anion or even an uncharged molecule of 
> > such a formula does not exist.
> > 2) If you meant to write SoONO3, then So would have a charge of +3.
> > 3) If you meant to write So2ONO3, then each So atom would have a 
> > charge
> of
> > +1.5, which would be in keeping with some other half fractional elements.
> > 4) Yet another possibility is that you should have written So2ONO3, 
> > where the NO3 is the highly unstable nitrous trioxide molecule 
> > (really does exist), which is stabilized as an adduct by the So2O 
> > entity. I say entity because I am not sure if it is covalent or 
> > ionic. Nevertheless, the oxidation number for So would be 1.
> >
> > The latter makes me wonder if the true atomic number is 48.5, not 46.5.
> > This would make So2 similar to Hg2+2 and Cd2+2.  I worked on the 
> > latter during my time as a PhD student, but did not generate enough 
> > data for a degree and went off and looked at the sulfides and 
> > selenides of
> phosphorus
> > and arsenic instead.
> >
> > There are other possibilities, but they entail suggesting that you 
> > made
> an
> > error in not including another, additional type of half fractional
> element
> > in the formula you stated and there are too many possibilities to go 
> > into here.
> >
> > I look forward to your reply and wonder if any of my guesses (2-4) 
> > and/or idea about the atomic number are correct or if you have an 
> > alternate explanation.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Bev
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Hillman
> > Sent: Friday, August 25, 2017 2:28 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] Element Quiz Answer
> >
> > Here is the Element Quiz Question:
> >
> > The Question:
> > This element is a metal and has a large variety of commercial
> applications.
> > It can be found in nature as a free element and is one of the best 
> > known element despite only being the 35th most abundant on Earth. 
> > The element
> is
> > mentioned in the Bible and was known to ancient civilizations. This
> element
> > has been poisoning humans for hundreds of years. This element is 
> > used in the Oddy test. Which element is being described?
> >
> > The Answer:
> > The element is Lead (Pb). Lead is used in hundreds of commercial 
> > applications and has equally been shown to be toxic in hundreds of ways.
> > Lead was added to wine, used in paint, used in gasoline and in 
> > cosmetics before its toxicity was fully understood. Lead chromate 
> > (PbCrO4) is a
> safe
> > yellow pigment and lead azide [Pb(N3)2] is used as a detonator of 
> > explosives. Lead derives its name from the Latin word "plumbum" 
> > which is the origin of the English word "plumbing", all associated 
> > with the use of lead for water pipes in the Roman Empire.
> >
> > The Oddy test is a procedure created at the British Museum by
> conservation
> > scientist William Andrew Oddy in 1973,[in order to test materials 
> > for safety in and around art objects. This test calls for a sample 
> > of the material in question to be placed in an airtight container 
> > with three coupons of different metals-silver, lead, and copper-that 
> > are not
> touching
> > each other or the sample of the material.[3] The container is sealed
> with a
> > small amount of de-ionized water to maintain a high humidity, then 
> > heated at 60 degrees Celsius for 28 days. An identical container 
> > with three
> metal
> > coupons acts as a control. If the metal coupons show no signs of
> corrosion,
> > then the material is deemed suitable to be placed in and around art 
> > objects. The Oddy test is not a contact test, but is for testing 
> > off-gassing.
> >
> >
> > The winner of the quiz is Jerry Dengler, Pergamon Corp. and will get 
> > the services of Clumpy and Kloumpios for the week.
> >
> > The EQAB was quite impressed with Doug's submission of "solomonium" 
> > but
> due
> > to he submitted silver as his first response, all other submissions 
> > are null and void. Additionally, William Oddy is alive and breathing 
> > which conflicts with some of Doug's details. EQAB did find it 
> > interesting that nearly everyone but Doug does not survive 
> > interactions with the half fractional elements!
> >
> >
> > So far Clumpy and Kloumpios have done the following:
> >
> > Past Quiz winners/tasks:
> > Week 1 Ravinder Ajmani, Western Digital Week 1 Ron Feyereisen, 
> > SigmaTron Intl.
> > Week 2 Louis Hart, Compunetics
> > Week 3 Mark Kostinovsky, Schlumberger Ltd.
> > Week 3 John Burke
> > Week 4 Drew Meyer, Benchmark Electronics Week 5 No Winner - no 
> > correct responses!
> > Week 6 Bhanu Sood, NASA
> > Week 7 Keith Calhoun, Sopark Corp
> > Week 7 Ian Fox, Rolls Royce
> > Week 8 Leland Woodall
> > Week 8 David Bealer, SMT
> > Week 9 Tom Carroll, Boeing
> > Week 10 Louis Hart, Compunetics
> > Week 11 Tom Carroll, Boeing
> > Week 11 Scott Decker, UTAS
> > Week 12 Matthias Mansfeld, Mansfeld Elektronik PCB Design and 
> > Assembly Week 13 No Quiz, Week 14 Matthias Mansfeld, Mansfeld 
> > Elektronik PCB Design and Assembly Week 15 Bhanu Sood, NASA Week 16 
> > John Maxwell Week 17 Leland Woodall Week 18 Leland Woodall Week 19 
> > Tom Carroll, Boeing Week 20 Robert Kondner Week 21 Tom Brendlinger, 
> > ClearMotion Inc.
> > Week 22 Carl Van Wormer, Cipher Engineering LCC Week 23 Juliano 
> > Ribeiro, DATACOM Week 24 Gerry Gagnon, FLIR Commercial Systems Week 
> > 25 Graham Collins, Sunsel Systems Week 26 Joyce Koo, IPC 
> > International Week 26 Todd MacFadden, Bose Week 27 Bhanu Sood, NASA 
> > Week 28 Leland Woodall Week 29 Mordechai Kirshenbaum
> >
> > Week 30 Leland Woodall
> > - It's roasting in NC right now, so the guys and I will have some 
> > early morning golf this weekend.  Next week they can assist me with 
> > writing
> work
> > instructions for our rework department.  Joy, joy, right?
> >
> > Week 31 Leland Woodall
> > - assisted with ????
> >
> > Week 32 Steve Gregory
> > - assisted with ????
> >
> > Week 33 Leland Woodall
> > - assisted with ????
> >
> > Week 34 Jerry Dengler, Pergamon Corp
> > - assisted with ???
> >
> >
> > I hope everyone has a awesome week.
> >
> > Dave Hillman
> > Rockwell Collins
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
>

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