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Jack,



What I've found is that the via cap and fill usually is about a 10-20% cost adder to the board (vendor may vary, but it matches what I've seen).  There are several processes added and additional requirement because of it, as well as some time required for it.



Unfortunately I've found that even filling the vias has it's own issues.  Those little vias provide a wonderful path for offgassing of the flux.  When they are filled it seems that off-gassing gets trapped and increases voids.  So in turn all the QFN and components with bottom thermal pads need to be x-ray'd and evaluated.  And it seems every flux off-gases differently, so it's a never ending battle.



About the only solution that I've seen the does well is solder preforms for the thermal pads.  I've seen an article about a year ago on it ("Minimizing Voiding In QFN Packages Using Solder Preforms" by Seth Homer and Ronald Lasky of Indium) and at some of the IPC conferences as being a viable option.  The other benefit is the vendor can pick and place these as part of the assembly process. I've used them for other soldering purposes, so that may be an avenue to consider.  



In the end, I don't think there seems to be a perfect solution as each presents it's own challenges.



Happy Holidays,



-Jeffrey



-----Original Message-----

From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jack Olson

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:56 AM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [DC] Plugging Thermal Via Holes with Soldermask?



*Kitty*,

so when you say "vias filled with soldermask and covered"

the "*and covered*" part is the adhesive?

Sorry to ask for more clarification, but I'm really interested in this.



*All,*

I inquired about the bare board quote, wondering how significant this decision is.

My engineers are saying the bare board fabricator wants to add 25% for this process which in our case is over FIFTY DOLLARS PER BOARD!!!

seriously?

Can anyone share approximately what they have paid for filled vias?



(and to make sure I understood other responses:

plugged vias are not guaranteed 100%, right?

I think we need 100% because if a solder bump pokes through our thermal insulating pad, the circuit could short out to the aluminum housing.)



thanks again,

Jack



On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Hines, Kitty <[log in to unmask]>

wrote:



> Hi Jack-

>

> We have the vias filled with solder mask and covered (not ‘TENTED’).

> We’re not paying for a secondary process.  Some vias will either not 

> get fully filled, or will open during reflow.  So as others have also 

> commented, vias will allow solder to wick during the wave process; the 

> glue stops that from happening.  The only added cost we have is for extra glue.

>

> Kitty

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* Jack Olson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]

> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 8:34 AM

> *To:* (Designers Council Forum) <[log in to unmask]>; Hines, 

> Kitty < [log in to unmask]>

> *Subject:* Re: [DC] Plugging Thermal Via Holes with Soldermask?

>

>

>

> Hi Kitty,

>

>

>

> thanks for the interesting idea! I have never heard of that.

>

> We don't use wave soldering anymore, so we have cut the "adhesive" 

> process out of the equation,

>

>

>

> What I don't understand is why you add adhesive dots on those vias if 

> they are already filled and tented?

>

> (I could see using that method to AVOID the filling process)

>

>

>

> just curious,

>

> Jack

>

>

>

> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Hines, Kitty <[log in to unmask]>

> wrote:

>

> Hi Jack,

> We have been struggling with the same problem.  We started adding a 

> geometry to the glue stencil that will allow the glue to cover those 

> bottom side vias.  The boards go thru reflow without wicking any 

> solder thru.  The Fab drawing also calls out those vias to be "FULLY 

> FILLED AND COVERED WITH SOLDER MASK ON SINGLE-SIDE ONLY (BOTTOM) PER 

> IPC-4761, TYPE VI (a)."  Any solder balls in the hole will melt in the 

> reflow ovens, and the glue stops solder from wicking up during the 

> solder wave process.  So far, this has been working for us.  Do you see problems with this method?

>

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 

> Jack Olson

> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 10:10 AM

> To: [log in to unmask]

> Subject: [DC] Plugging Thermal Via Holes with Soldermask?

>

> I'm looking at the various options for tenting/plugging/capping vias 

> in

> IPC-4761 (Via Protection Guidelines). None of the options seem to 

> address the thermal vias in power pads.

> We are trying to:

> 1) have a solderable pad, apply paste on that side (of course)

> 2) prevent solder from creating bumps on the heatsink side (of course)

> 3) avoid the cost of plugging/capping

>

> IPC-4671 states that all forms of one-sided via protection are NOT 

> RECOMMENDED.

>

> So here's the question - I know I have seen a picture of a thermal pad 

> in an IPC document where I could see vias with green mask material in 

> them on the paste side (the component side), but the green stuff was 

> only in the holes, which left the thermal pad exposed for soldering.

> I don't think this would be called TENTING because there's no mask on 

> the pad. but is this an acceptable practice? Can I instruct a bare 

> board fabricator to put mask in holes from the top side, but keep the pad clear?

> (I can't remember where I saw the picture!)

>

> If that's NOT an accepted practice, is there a way to design the hole 

> big enough to plate but small enough to prevent solder flowing through 

> the other side of the board? I couldn't find a discussion of that in 

> the TechNet Archives

>

> thanks,

> Jack

>

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