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If the land pattern is incorrect for the leads of the package as is, then 
there should have been an "Altered Item Drawing" provided by your 
client/customer.

Larry Joy
-----Original Message----- 
From: Robert Kondner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Prepping TO-5 can style Relay...

I would be curious what you see inside a failed unit. Is the internal
failure easy to view?

Bob K.

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Prepping TO-5 can style Relay...

Steve,
Do they have PROOF that bending the leads cause damage?
Bev

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:12 AM
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Subject: [TN] Prepping TO-5 can style Relay...

Hi All,

We're building a board for a customer that uses a 8-lead TO-5 style relay.
The footprint on the board requires that the leads are spread out to a
larger diameter circle than what diameter is when they come out of the body
at the bottom of the relay. Here's the information for one of the relays,
there are three others that are the same style:

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?lang=en&site=us&WT.z_cid=ref_findch
ips_standard&mpart=PRMAC-26X

So we have a Simonds CLP274 lead processor with a die that matches the
footprint on the PCB:

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/Simonds_CLP274.jpg

We insert the part which spreads the leads out, then step on the pedal and a
guillotine style blade shears the leads off. I've used the prep unit many,
many time before at previous employers without issues. The customer is
saying that prepping the leads in this unit is damaging the relay. So now we
are to pot the leads before prepping them with a 2-part epoxy using a
tooling fixture as a mold for the epoxy, and the potted relay looks like
this:

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/Potted_Relay.jpg

Has anybody ever heard of this Simonds unit damaging relays like this? Has
anybody had to add potting to a relay like this? I can understand wanting to
keep the leads coming straight out of the bottom of the body before making
the bend to match the footprint on the board, but I think I can use a Bivar
permanent spacer and slip it over the lead and accomplish the same thing.
Something like this:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwi
qk8zCt5bOAhWJ1IMKHebaCR8QFggxMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bivar.com%2Fportals%2F
0%2Fproducts%2F616-070.pdf&usg=AFQjCNESVvvX6qOo_-0T94sAYNLP8AJ21Q&cad=rja

Or even a nylon washer that matches the diameter of the lead pattern
(.200") coming out of the bottom of the relay. Potting this relay is going
to be very time consuming and there's going to be a risk of getting the
epoxy on the leads that will ruin the solderability of the part. I'm just
trying to understand if it is truly the Simonds prep unit causing the
damage, and if this really is, and easier way other than potting them to
accomplish the same thing.

Thanks all!

Steve Gregory

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