Oh yeah, that I can see. Saying you are using an "ionizer" fan and then
not, I would ping that to.
Lloyd Duso
Diamond-MT
Plant Manager
(814) 535-3505
www.Diamond-mt.com
On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Douglas Pauls <
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> Well, I don't really think this is a case of an auditor searching to find
> something.
>
> Our internal ESD control plan lists "ionizing fans" on benchtops,
> especially those areas that are doing tape masking, where self-balancing
> air ionizers are a must. The auditor read that requirement, looked at the
> plastic fan and asked "is that an ionizing fan"? Nope. Hence the finding.
>
> The question was further asked (not by the auditor) whether we had to do
> something with the huge metal blower fans on our aqueous wash system, as
> those are not ionizing either. That one I can fend off, but had never had
> the first issue come up before.
>
> I am also trying to separate out the "theoretical" from the "practical".
>
>
>
>
> Doug Pauls
> Principal Materials and Process Engineer
> Rockwell Collins
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:37 AM, lduso - Diamond-MT.com <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> lol...you are probably correct on that one, ESD generating or not.
>> Honestly though, unless they can somehow measure a charge from those fans
>> to the work surface, I'm really not seeing it. Sounds like one of those, "I
>> gotta find something so I'll make an observation" type deals.
>>
>> Lloyd Duso
>> Diamond-MT
>> Plant Manager
>> (814) 535-3505
>> www.Diamond-mt.com
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Douglas Pauls <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Lloyd, gotta say, I like the way you think. But, am pretty sure if I
>>> had the young'uns do this, especially the ladies, I would set the land
>>> speed record for getting fired and thrown out the door.
>>>
>>>
>>> Doug Pauls
>>> Principal Materials and Process Engineer
>>> Rockwell Collins
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 10:50 AM, lduso - Diamond-MT.com <
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Easy Steve, palm fronds maybe huge ESD generators. I think ideally you
>>>> want
>>>> to use Ostrich feather plumes. A good job for an intern, he could fan
>>>> the
>>>> Emperor with one hand and hold a silver platter with a can of Mt Dew in
>>>> the
>>>> other!
>>>>
>>>> Lloyd Duso
>>>> Diamond-MT
>>>> Plant Manager
>>>> (814) 535-3505
>>>> www.Diamond-mt.com
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Steve Gregory <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Hi Doug,
>>>> >
>>>> > So what does he say about the typical HVAC air conditioning units?
>>>> They may
>>>> > push the air with metal squirrel cages or metal fans (or they could be
>>>> > plastic fans), but I'm sure nowadays much of the ducting is plastic
>>>> or some
>>>> > sort of plastic composite. Maybe he would be happy with someone
>>>> standing
>>>> > there fanning people with a palm frond... :^)
>>>> >
>>>> > Steve
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Douglas Pauls <
>>>> > [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Good morning all,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > We had an outside audit "observation" that I would like some outside
>>>> > > opinions on. In your facilities, are simple air circulation fans,
>>>> > usually
>>>> > > plastic blades and a plastic housing (think inexpensive Walmart)
>>>> targeted
>>>> > > as an ESD generator? I have never heard of such and my view is
>>>> that if
>>>> > our
>>>> > > humidity stays above the 30% minimum found in most ESD standards,
>>>> then we
>>>> > > should not have charge generation.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > So, are cheapy plastic fans an ESD hazard?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Doug Pauls
>>>> > > Principal Materials and Process Engineer
>>>> > > Rockwell Collins
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
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