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Random thoughts:

Before going into the work required to find the fault location, test more than one unit to see if the fault is in the design or just in one unit.

My HiPot testers raise the voltage (either manually (with a knob), or automatically) until the desired voltage limit is reached, or the leakage current is exceeded.  Most units announce the excessive leakage with an obnoxious buzzer that will make you pee your pants, since you are nervous from being near a very high voltage.  Before the limit is reached, there may be visual (faint blue corona discharge) and/or audible (hissing or crackling sound) clues.

Set up the test in a room that can get very dark, and then turn out the lights and wait for your eyes to adjust.  As you run the test, you may be able to see the location of the corona discharge before the leakage current limit is exceeded.  Resist the temptation to use your finger, and use some other insulated pointing device to mark the location before tuning on the lights.

You can use a length (3 foot) of vinyl tubing (3/8 inch) with one end held to your ear and the other end waved around the board to locate the area if corona sounds are being generated.

If you cannot locate the fault area on external (visible) surfaces, the breakdown is occurring inside of a component or inside the PC board.  By sequentially removing components that are across the voltage barrier (check the schematic), and then re-testing, you can find which parts are the cause of the problem.  If all isolation components have been removed and the fault still exists, it is in the PC board.

If the fault is in a custom component, like a transformer, you may want to carefully disassemble the transformer to locate the defect area.

If these comments don't give you a good starting point, please ask a more specific question.  Everybody's entitled to my opinion . . .

Later,
Carl





Carl B. Van Wormer, P.E., AE7GD
Senior Hardware Engineer
Cipher Engineering LLC
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From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:12 AM
To: Carl Van Wormer <[log in to unmask]>
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Subject: RE: Post HiPot Testing, Power Supply leakage failure

Carl,

   Thank you very much for sharing.   This is the first time that I am conducting Failure Analysis on a Post HiPot PS failure, nubby to the task.   I suppose that Thermal Imaging would be beneficial in isolation the suspected failure, hot spot.   I have no experience in isolating/disconnecting various "HV barrier" components on the PS as you stated.   If you are willing to share some thoughts on this task I would greatly appreciate the information.

Victor,

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Van Wormer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 9:14 AM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Hernandez, Victor G
Subject: RE: Post HiPot Testing, Power Supply leakage failure

Perform the HiPot test in a dark room, slowly (and carefully) looking for visible glow before onset of the leakage-limit event. This may help you to visually locate the area of the breakdown. If it is not visible on any exterior surfaces, you will have to disconnect various "HV barrier" components to determine which one is breaking down internally.


Carl B. Van Wormer, P.E., AE7GD
Senior Hardware Engineer
Cipher Engineering LLC
21195 NW Evergreen Pkwy Ste 209
Hillsboro, OR 97124-7167
503-617-7447x303
[log in to unmask] http://cipherengineering.com



-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Victor Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 7:06 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] Post HiPot Testing, Power Supply leakage failure

Fellow TechNetters:

What type of failure mechanism is associated with a HiPot Test Failure on a 750W Switching Power supply? The visual did not turn up any damage to components exterior structure. No damage to PWB laminate and solder mash surface.

Victor,


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