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Richard:

Thanks for your reply. I read the following:

They form
> particulates in the solder joints, they run all over, and they like to
> penetrate and boil. Many people do not realize that is one of the main
> causes of lifted pads.

Any pictures or a paper to back this up (I am a Reaganite-trust but verify)

Have a great new year!

Bob/BEST

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Joyce Koo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> http://www.smtnet.com/express/200005/soldering/soldering.pdf
>
> > I'm going to come right out and make this statement. You can laugh all
> you
> > want, but the data proves that liquid fluxes are terrible!
> >
> > Not only for BGA rework, but pretty much any type of rework! They form
> > particulates in the solder joints, they run all over, and they like to
> > penetrate and boil. Many people do not realize that is one of the main
> > causes of lifted pads.
> >
> > Let the screaming and moaning and hysterical laughing begin. I really
> > don't care.
> >
> > I have been training operators in the companies I work for years and
> years
> > to use only tacky fluxes for touchup, for simple rework, and for hot air
> > or hot gas rework, as well as for molten solder fountain rework. I have
> > qualified the use of tacky fluxes to replace liquid many, many times. The
> > cleanliness results of both water soluble and cleaned RMA tacky fluxes
> are
> > several times better than for liquid fluxes. The tacky fluxes seem to
> > promote wetting much better than any liquid flux I have ever used, and I
> > think I have used them all.
> >
> > Because the tacky fluxes are developed for worst-case conditions (hot gas
> > and solder fountain rework) they actually work much better than any
> liquid
> > flux I have ever tried.
> >
> > And they typically are much easier to confine to just the solder joint(s)
> > you are trying to touchup or solder.
> >
> > And they don't evaporate or burn off before you even reach liquidus.
> >
> > And for about 10,000 other reasons, but one of the biggest is that once
> > the operators try using tacky flux for all rework and touchup, they never
> > go back.
> >
> > If the REACH folks decreed that there would be no more liquid flux
> > allowed, beginning yesterday, it would not mean a thing to me. I would
> > say, "Good riddance".
> >
> > Most liquid fluxes on the market today were developed for wave solder or
> > selective solder use; they were never intended to be used as a benchtop
> > flux. People adapted them for compatibility reasons.
> >
> > My feeling is that they should be limited to wave or selective solder
> > processes.
> >
> > Use a good tacky flux of the same chemistry for everything else. Those
> > from one particular solder company have always worked best for me.  God
> is
> > the ____ and the Omega.
> >
> > But always qualify, qualify, qualify.
> >
> > dean
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob Wettermann
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 10:40 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] IPC 7095 and Liquid Fluxes for Rework
> >
> > Dear Technetters:
> >
> > In reviewing the IPC 7095 BGA guidelines I noticed a mention of liquid
> > based fluxes for BGA rework. Has anyone heard of liquid fluxes being
> > robust enough for Sn63 or lead-free rework processes?
> >
> >
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