Yes, you are correct. In my email I was discussing primarily measurement of fairly smooth surfaces, eg, soldermask, of which (for example) two different matte finishes can have a considerably different surface energy. As Dr. Pauls pointed out, the surface energy and roughness are not necessarily related.
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From: Bev Christian [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:33 PM
To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum'; Stadem, Richard D.
Subject: RE: [TN] Surface Roughness Sample Length
Richard,
Not really my area of expertise, but couldn't one have a smooth surface with a chemical coating that gave a surface energy of X and a rougher surface with no coating or a different coating and still have the same surface energy X? I don't see how you can equate surface energy necessarily to roughness if you have not characterized the surface. Maybe I'm totally ignorant. If so, please educate me.
Eddie,
We have both types of systems Richard talks about if you want something tested - before Nov 27th.
You may want to check out:
ASTM
-D7127
-F2791
-F1048
-A 480/A 480M
-D4417
Regards,
Bev
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
Sent: November 13, 2015 8:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Surface Roughness Sample Length
Or if you need a cheaper but effective method, you can purchase Dyne pens.
A set of Dyne pens can be used to measure the approximate surface energy to determine appropriateness for direct dispensing of conformal coatings, adhesives, paint, epoxies, etc.
If the surface energy as measured by the Dyne pens is too low, you may then have to treat the surface prior to coating to provide a suitable surface to bond to.
Dyne pens are relatively inexpensive, ranging from around $65-$125 for a set. Here is one I use http://www.accudynetest.com/adtpen.html
I have not tried any others, so I cannot say this is the best or the worst.
Others may recommend other Dyne Pen sets.
My esteemed colleague and friend Dr. Pauls is someone whom I would heed a suggestion from, as to a reputable source. I have copied him directly. He may be quite busy at the moment writing something about half-rational elements from the planet Boron or something like that, however.
dean
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bhanu Sood
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Surface Roughness Sample Length
One can measure surface roughness either by using a contact or non-contact method. Some other optical microscope-based methods may be more qualitative.
Contact methods include using atomic force microscopy or surface profilometry. Essentially, run a stylus on the surface and track the rise and fall that corresponds with changes in the surface roughness. The measurement would give you the heights of the valleys and the depths of troughs. You can also calculate a root mean square roughness or RMS roughness.
Examples of non-contact methods include interferometry that uses white light or discrete wavelengths.
The length of the scan essentially depends on the planarity of the sample surface. At some point the global curvature of the sample is going to start influencing the measurements.
I hope this helps.
Bhanu
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 7:52 AM, Eddie Hofer
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> Wondering if anyone has more experience in the measurement of surface
> roughness. I am hoping to better understand the specifications
> relating to surface roughness and specifically the nuances behind
> determining sample length.
>
> Appreciate any input you can provide.
> Thanks!
> Eddie Hofer
>
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