Thanks! I am used to referencing 4552, and did not know the plating information is also in 6012.
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6012 references you to 4552. I believe the table in 6012 comes from the values in 4552.
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Just a minor nitpicking.
The correct reference for the definition of ENIG is IPC-4552. I am not sure if the plating thicknesses are defined within IPC-6012.
But the result is the same; if only 60 uinches is present, it is not ENIG. If it was intended to be ENIG per IPC-4552 on the fabrication drawing note, then the PWBs are non-compliant. RTV to vendor for credit and corrective action.
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Can't attach anything on Technet (server strips it) but you can look it up here:
http://listserv.ipc.org/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1510&L=TechNet&P=R3873&1=TechNet&9=A&J=on&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches&z=4
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I guess you forgot to attach the thread :-)
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Re: [TN] ENIG coating durability
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Hi Ed,
Black pad would have nothing to do with amonia. How do you know it's Black Pad in a fist place?
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Hi Ed - if the root cause of the attack is the peelable mask, then you should be able to reproduce the same issue on any ENIG board and not just this specific lot/supplier. There are lots of possible root causes for what you described - plating issues, cleaning issues, etc.
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> Hi all,
>
> I Have a batch of boards showing what I believe to be black pad. This
> is surfacing at thru hole (solderability, some pads are turning
> orange). One person suggested the peelable solder mask contains
> ammonia and this is what is causing it. I disagree.
>
> Suggestions or comments?
>
> Ed Popielarski
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