Ah, I think this discussion can have it both ways! I agree with Mike and
Brian as I can just "bottle" air and therefore I have 78% N which I did
nothing but put a cap on a bottle so using the word "produced" is a bit of
a stretch. On the other hand, if I am running a fractional distillation
process in which I capture and separate all of the gases then I would be
"producing" nitrogen in addition to the other gases.  I am sure Doug can
come up with a half fractional element this week that incorporates this
topic!

Dave

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Mike Fenner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> HMMMM
> I'm not going to disagree with Brian, but it's a fine point.
> For example how would a native metal be classified? If it's just found
> lying
> around is it mined, picked up, extracted or as Dave said just "produced!?
> Are we now in for a long series of legalistic appeals :)or do we have to
> pre-emptively appeal and get a higher board clarification?
> I'm beginning to see the benefits of the British way here rather than the
> US. In other words we would just muddle through this, whereas in US it
> seems
> every thing has to be written out starting with the constitution.
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Pauls
> Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2015 7:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Element Quiz Answer
>
> Well, that's a switch. Dave gets disqualified from his own quiz.  I love it
>  On Apr 4, 2015 1:52 AM, "Brian Ellis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > A question of semantics. Is N the 2nd most produced chemical in the USA?
> > If I buy a cylinder of N2, the contents are obtained by the fractional
> > distillation of air; this is not a "produced chemical" because the raw
> > material is there, anyway.
> >
> > Even the building block of nitrogenous compounds, ammonia, is made by
> > reacting hydrogen with atmospheric nitrogen.
> >
> > I therefore maintain that elemental nitrogen is not "produced" because it
> > is all around us as a diatomic gas  and appeal to EQAB that they ensure
> the
> > questions are better worded. :-)
> >
> > Brian
> >
> > On 03/04/2015 22:08, David Hillman wrote:
> >
> >> Here is the Element Quiz Answer:
> >>
> >> The Question:
> >> This element is the 2rd most commonly produced chemical in the United
> >> States. This element's name is related to saltpeter ( salts of Petra!).
> >> The
> >> Greek words "pnigo" or "pnigein". The technology of Positron Emission
> >> Tomography. Which element is being described?
> >>
> >> The Answer:
> >> The element in Nitrogen (N). Nitrogen is the 30th most abundant element
> on
> >> earth and the 2nd most produced in the United States. Daniel Rutherford
> >> derived the name "nitrogen" from the Greek words "nitron" and "genes"
> >> which
> >> stand for "soda or saltpeter forming". The Group 16 elements are often
> >> described by an archaic name - the pnictogen elements as the word
> >> "pnictogen" is the Greek verb for "to choke" referring to nitrogen as a
> >> choking gas. The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry
> (IUPAC)
> >> does not recognize the term "pnictogen" despite its use by many
> >> chemists.Radioisotope N-13 has a half life of 10 minutes and produces a
> >> positron as it decays. PET - Positron Emission Tomography - can track
> the
> >> positron's interaction with negative electrons in the human body
> producing
> >> an image when N-13 is injected as part of medical assessments.
> >>
> >>
> >> The winner of the weekly element quiz is Mordechai Kirshenbaum and he
> >> will get
> >> the services of Clumpy and Kloumpios for the week. Many correct
> responses
> >> this week with several only being seconds apart per the Firewall time
> >> stamp. The seven EQAB members had significant issues assessing Doug's
> >> response of "crapium" as they have experiences similar to his submission
> >> rationale when trying to obtain mineral rights for their mining
> >> operations.
> >> However, the Greek word "pnigo" does not translate to "Senate" and the
> PET
> >> reference was for radioisotope N-13 so EQAB determined that Doug's
> >> submission could not be accepted.
> >>
> >> Note - I did order a copy of the element book that James Head (and
> >> Anne-Sophie) suggested so many new clues will be available for use in
> the
> >> Quiz in the future.
> >>
> >>
> >> So far Clumpy and Kloumpios have done the following:
> >>
> >> Past Quiz winners/tasks:
> >> Week 1 Dick Krug,  Spartan Complex Systems
> >> Week 2 Laura Turbini, IRC
> >> Week 3 James Head, Crowcon Detection Instruments Limited
> >> Week 3 Pat Goodyear, PGE
> >> Week 4 Joe Russeau, Precision Analysts Laboratory
> >> Week 5 Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense, Space and Security
> >> Week 6 Steve Gregory
> >> Week 7 Phil Kinner
> >> Week 8 Brian Ellis
> >> Week 9 James Head,Crowcon Detection Instruments Limited
> >> Week 10 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 11 Keith Calhoun, Sopark Corp
> >> Week 12 Matthias Mansfeld, Mansfeld-Elektronik
> >> Week 13 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 14 Brian Ellis
> >> Week 15 Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense, Space and Security
> >> Week 16 Steve Gregory
> >> Week 17 Phil Kinner
> >> Week 18 Ian Braddock, MBDA Systems
> >> Week 19 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 20 Denny Fritz, SAIC
> >> Week 21 Amol Kane
> >> Week 21 Dewey Whittaker, Honeywell
> >> Week 21 David Bealer, Watch Fire Sign
> >> Week 22 Phil Kinner
> >> Week 23 Guy Ramsey, RD Circuits
> >> Week 24 Mark Kostinovsky, Schlumberger
> >> Week 25 Keith Calhoun, SoparkCorp
> >> Week 26 Paul Reid, PWB Interconnect Solutions Inc
> >> Week 27 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 28 Steve Gregory
> >> Week 29 Gus Trakas, Viasystems
> >> Week 29 Steve Creswick
> >> Week 30 Robert Welch,Moog Component Group
> >> Week 31 Heidi Havelka, Interplex Sunbelt
> >> Week 32 Raye Rivera, Canoga Perkins
> >> Week 33 Steve Creswick
> >> Week 34 Dewey Whittaker, Honeywell
> >> Week 35 Don Vischulis
> >> Week 36 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 37 Larry Dzaugis
> >> Week 37 Bonus Question Steve Mikell
> >> Week 38 Curt McNamara, Logic PD
> >> Week 38 Bonus Question Dewey Whittaker, Honeywell
> >> Week 39 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 40 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 40 Ron Feyereisen, Sigmatron Int.
> >> Week 41 Steve Gregory
> >> Week 42 Steve Mikell
> >> Week 43 Mark Kostinovsky, Schlumberger
> >> Week 44 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 44 Eddie Hofer, Rockwell Collins
> >> Week 45 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 46 Joe Russeau, Precision Analysts Laboratory
> >> Week 47 Phil Bavaro,L-3 Communications
> >> Week 48 Brian Ellis
> >> Week 49 Leland Woodall,CSTech
> >> Week 49 Drew Meyer, Benchmark Electronics
> >> Week 50 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 51 Karen Tellefsen.
> >> Week 52 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 53 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >> Week 54 Phil Bavaro, L-3 Com.
> >> Week 55 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc. deferred to Richard Stadem, GD,
> >> Week 56 Carl Van Wormer, Cipher Engineering LLC
> >> Week 57 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc
> >> Week 58 Leland Woodall, CSTech, Inc.
> >> Week 58 Bonus Question Robert Wolfe
> >> Week 59 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 60 Graham Collins, Sunsel Systems
> >> Week 61 James Head, Crowcon Detection Instruments Limited
> >> Week 62 Leland Woodall
> >> Week 62 Brien Bush, Cirtronics
> >> Week 63 Pat Goodyear, PGE
> >> Week 64 Ed Popielarski
> >> Week 65 Jim West, N.S. International
> >> Week 66 Brian Ellis
> >> Week 67 Ravinder Ajmani, HGST
> >> Week 68 Robert Wolfe
> >> Week 69 Joe Russeau, PAL.
> >> Week 69 Leland Woodall, Keihin North America
> >> Week 70 Jim West, N.S. Internationa
> >> Week 71 Steve Gregory
> >> Week 72 Bhanu Sood, CALCE
> >> Week 72 Ed Popielarsk
> >> Week 72 Robert Welch, Moog Component Group
> >> Week 73 Torsten Hagge, Kristronics GmbH
> >> Week 74 Greg Munie, IPC
> >> Week 75 Doug Pauls, Rockwell Collins
> >> Week 76 Graham Collins, Sunsel Systems
> >> Week 77 Robert Kondner, Index Designs
> >> Week 77 Bonus Brien Bush, Cirtronics
> >> Week 78 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> >>
> >> Week 79 Denny Fritz, SAIC
> >> - After NCAA basketball,  the guys better get right down to work Monday
> >> morning helping with the A)Technology Roadmap, B) Supply Chain Roadmap,
> >> and
> >> C) Anti-Counterfeit Plans we are doing for Department of Defense printed
> >> circuit boards.  Polished versions are due at NAVSEA Crane  in 3 weeks.
> >> How are the guys at typing and proofreading?  Say, if they get us caught
> >> up, they can work on the farm tractor here - hope they can get out of
> the
> >> John Deere mode enough to work on my Farm-all Super C that's only 60
> years
> >> old (bought new by my dad around 1954) - it needs new tires for one
> thing.
> >> We need it to rake the hay that my twin grandsons have promised to
> harvest
> >> come June.
> >>
> >> Week 80 Brian Ellis
> >> - I can hear the rumble of John Deeres coming up the hill, 2 minutes and
> >> they will be here. Their relatives have been told and replied that they
> >> should not expect good food as they are in the Lenten fast, as are many
> >> people here, awaiting the Orthodox Easter, a week after the Western one.
> >> All animal products forbidden, virtually vegan. In the last week, only
> dry
> >> bread and water are allowed, not even olive oil. Happily, the boys will
> be
> >> well fed chez Brian, as he does not go along with fasting; I have a big
> >> lump of leg of pork marinating in wine and spices for a good roast for
> >> dinner this evening. There is a big thumping at the door...
> >>
> >> Week 81 Mordechai Kirshenbaum
> >> -assisted with ????
> >>
> >> Everyone have a safe week.
> >>
> >> Dave Hillman
> >> Rockwell Collins
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> >> Data Credit Note: the information in the Element Quizzes is taken from
> >> several published sources including The History and Use of Our Earth's
> >> Chemical Elements by R. Krebs and Nature's Building Blocks by J. Emsley.
> >>
> >>
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