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Andy,

You have nothing to fear!  Your guberment bureaucracy is watching out for
you!

The USDA makes beef growers track animals from cradle to grave.  
Okay, so what if they may lose the data due to bad hard drives like the IRS
... 
       Technically, at least the NSA has a back-up copy...

Rest assured that if in 10 years you come down with BSE, we can back-track
through the data and find out where the bad animal came from - if you can
remember where & when you purchased you meat.  Oh!  That's right, your brain
is fried...


On a serious note a big contributor to BSE was the policy of feeding animal
byproducts to livestock.  It used to be that downed animals were ground up
and fed to the surviving animals... Things get especially dicey when feeding
like to like [bovine to bovine, sheep to sheep,  etc.]  I forget whether the
English outbreak was ultimately traced back to re-cycled sheep/goat, or
recycled bovine.

Supposedly we don't do that [any more] ... 

I forget the details of the animal registration program that is in place
now, but technically even if you have a half dozen laying hens in your back
yard you are supposed to register them...  Ditto for goats, cows and I
assume piggies.   

Feel better now?  [not really....]

Steve C

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Giamis, Andy
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:17 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)

I understand the economic drive for GMO foods, but honestly, nothing tastes
quite like a home-grown tomato.  
I have a different and somewhat personal concern regarding GMOs, one that I
have not seen addressed.  I don't suppose there are too many geneticists on
TechNet that specialize in this area.  My concern is prion diseases.   

Mad Cow disease, or  Bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE - not
back-scattered electrons) transmits into humans as Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease
(CJD).  BSE took off in the early 90's in the UK when cows were given feed
containing contaminated sheep brains as a protein supplement (yes, zombie
cows).  

CJD can stay dormant for decades: undetectable with no symptoms.  There are
thousands of deaths from CJD every year and the UK meat scare seems to be a
main source.  The Red Cross recognizes this risk.  I served Uncle Sam in the
early 90s.  I was stationed in the glorious UK during the Mad Cow Disease
outbreak.  Because I lived in England during this time, I can never again
donate blood or worse, I could start mooing and die.

So what...

BSE and CJD are prion diseases.  There are others like scrapie and kuru.
These are mostly transmitted through eating meats contaminated with the
prion proteins.  There are others, like Gerstmann-Straussler-Scheinker
Disease (GSS) which is an inherited disease.  All of these diseases can lay
dormant for very long times.  How many of them can be passed on? I don't
know.

Prion diseases are mutations in how certain proteins are folded.  Proteins
get their structural instructions directly from our RNA and DNA.
Genetically modified foods are essentially engineered DNA with the sole
purpose of crafting and creating new protein structures that don't otherwise
exist in nature.   The food we eat does imprint onto our genetic make-up.
The natural proteins that we normally consume fit perfectly onto our natural
chromosomes.  How do genetically modified proteins fit?  Probably not like
the natural proteins.  
 
Yes, GMOs like round-up ready corn have been around for about 20 years.  For
the longest time, GMO foods were restricted to experimental and animal feed
grains, not for direct human consumption.  Now, it hasn't been ten years
since the flood gates have been opened and anything goes.  Consider other
dietary trends.. For many decades, people believed margarine was so much
healthier than butter before we learned that to be false.

Do we really know what the long term effects are?  There are two ways to
look at it: (A) nobody is doing the research or (B) EVERYBODY is part of the
research.  Considering the dormancy of prion diseases, this should be
alarming.  
In fact, it is alarming.  I hear the alarm bells.  It makes me mad.  MAD.  I
hear the bells.  They're.... Cow bells..  I am Mad...Maaaad.... Mooood.....
Moooooo .... MOOOOOOO!

Best Regards,
Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dwight Mattix
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)

At 02:23 PM 8/26/2014, Yuan-chia Joyce Koo wrote:
>regarding food: (1) GMO as long as bug resistance, not the excessive 
>growth type, no problem.  (2) better use organic food, with less qty 
>but more quality - not big orange full of water, with no taste... (3) 
>population and body size control.  my 2cents... hard to do with a slap 
>meat in front of me... (half rack of rib is not enough... corn?
>1 is more than enough - with butter please...;-).


one leaves you satiated because of the good healthy animal fat. the other
spikes your blood sugar and leaves you wanting to eat more in a couple
hours.


baconnnnnnn. more bacon for world peace.  ;)


>                 jk
>On Aug 26, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>
>>I don't completely understand the anti-GMO stuff.  To me, GMO food is 
>>just as good for humans eat as non-GMO food, in some cases better, as 
>>with golden rice.  I can understand the crop diversity and possible 
>>unforeseen environmental effects arguments, but they need to be 
>>substantiated with data.
>>
>>Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing
>>Alpha / 109 Corporate Blvd./ S. Plainfield, NJ 07080 
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>>908-791-3069
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>>
>>
>>From:   Ahne Oosterhof <[log in to unmask]>
>>To:     <[log in to unmask]>,
>>Date:   08/26/2014 11:24 AM
>>Subject:        Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>>Sent by:        TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>>
>>
>>Ha, ha. Recently I asked an anti-GMO signature collector if he would 
>>eat corn. Of course he would.
>>Then I pointed out that corn is GMO, starting as grass. He walked 
>>away.
>>
>>Ahne.
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dwight Mattix
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 7:28 AM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
>>
>>corn is grass.
>>
>>
>>"Grass is what my food eats."   Ron Swanson
>>
>>
>>At 07:11 AM 8/26/2014, Pete wrote:
>>>Some good answers here, led me to do some more research
>>>
>>>About 1/3 of the US corn crop goes towards livestock feed.
>>>13% is exported.
>>>40% is used for ethanol production
>>>That leaves 14% for food and beverage (including oils, syrups,
>>>sugars)
>>>
>>>Ethanol is being used in some cases to replace MTBE, to increase 
>>>octane rating.  Why?  Because of it's resistance to ignition.  This 
>>>is  very tiny percentage of the gasoline blend.  E10 and E85 are 
>>>ethanol as an attempt to replace fossil fuels.  However, that 
>>>resistance to ignition, when used at 10% or 86% is what makes it an 
>>>inefficient fuel, increasing consumption by 3% or 25% respectively.
>>>It takes one unit of fossil fuel to generate 1.3 units of (less
>>>efficient) ethanol fuel.
>>>
>>>Since 1980, the ethanol industry has received $45B in government
>>subsidies.
>>>
>>>The windmills don't seem so bad anymore.
>>>
>>>Pete
>>
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