Nukes will be necessary in the future for clean energy production. 
However, we need to remember 
that nuclear power plants are potentially disastrously dangerous, and must 
be run very carefully by
trained and conscientious personnel.  They also need to be placed in 
locations not especially subject to
earthquakes, tsunamis or hurricanes.

Everything costs something.

Karen Tellefsen 




From:   Robert Kondner <[log in to unmask]>
To:     <[log in to unmask]>, 
Date:   08/26/2014 10:41 AM
Subject:        Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)
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Hi,

 Renewable energy sources tend to be expensive and from what I read can 
only be counted on for 20% of total usage.  That leaves a huge hunk to be 
provided by "Large Infrastructure" producers. (Fossil fuel or nukes.) I do 
love saving energy, that is a win / win if there ever was one.

 Batteries cost so much they are almost useless here. Electro chemical 
systems are not exactly "Clean". 

 If that 20% limit for renewable is real I think that means nuke plants 
for the bulk (breeder ???) is all we have left?

Any Thoughts?

Bob K.

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:12 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - I believe ... (my credo)

Some good answers here, led me to do some more research

About 1/3 of the US corn crop goes towards livestock feed.
13% is exported.
40% is used for ethanol production
That leaves 14% for food and beverage (including oils, syrups, sugars)

Ethanol is being used in some cases to replace MTBE, to increase octane 
rating.  Why?  Because of it's resistance to ignition.  This is  very tiny 
percentage of the gasoline blend.  E10 and E85 are ethanol as an attempt 
to replace fossil fuels.  However, that resistance to ignition, when used 
at 10% or 86% is what makes it an inefficient fuel, increasing consumption 
by 3% or 25% respectively.  It takes one unit of fossil fuel to generate 
1.3 units of (less efficient) ethanol fuel.

Since 1980, the ethanol industry has received $45B in government 
subsidies.

The windmills don't seem so bad anymore.

Pete

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