Doug,
My colleague sent the laminate out to be etched and called me in when he experienced problems bonding, he hadn't requested any post process treatment.
Fortunately we can treat it in house so can resurrect it, was just wondering whether anyone had worked with this material and had some values worked out.
Iain
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Probably because your smarter than I am and did not first go to "dumb".
Looking up the Taconic TLY material, it is a PTFE based laminate. Every time I have done dyne pen testing on such laminates, not specifically this one, I got values lower than 20-25. Is the surface you are dealing with the unmodified surface, or are you plasma etching the surface to get better surface energy? An aggressive plasma treat may be able to bring your surface energy up to better coating levels, at least for a short while.
Doug Pauls
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Doug,
Hmm....now why did I not think of that?
The trouble is I am working on a special project that requires expensive complicated processing so I was hoping to steal a lead from someone with experience in this area - not being one for reinventing the wheel.
Iain
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Iain, quite simple. Start with a bad level for the material then improve it until it is not bad anymore. That will be your good level.
I love being helpful.
Doug Pauls
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Hi all,
On the Dyne pens theme, does anyone had an idea what would be a good value for a Taconic TLY3 double sided laminate that has had one side of Cu etched away.
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Iain
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Hello,
Thank you for the clear information provided.
As a supplement, I would be interested in someone could give the reference of the mentioned ASTM standard for surface energy measurement by Dyne Pens.
Also wondering why there is no IPC standard or guideline on this topic, as conformal coating adhesion on solder mask is a quite common concern within the industry.
It looks like indications given by Doug are acknowledged as good practice and therefore could be introduced within IPC standards.
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Arnaud Grivon
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Hi Arnaud
I agree with Doug on this on using Dyne Pens although with no clean processing generally you are lucky if you can get close to the range of 35-40! We tend to be working in the lower range of this.
It's also solder resist / coating dependent. Don't dismiss the energy value out of hand immediately. There is no logic sometimes to selection. We found one case where we tried absolutely any coating we could find to stick to a solder resist and only one did. No idea why and none of the chemists could explain.
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Lee Hitchens
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Arnaud,
I think you are asking about surface energy rather than surface tension.
We use the readily available Dyne Pens which have solutions calibrated back to an ASTM standard.
I generally use this rule of thumb regardless of the coating used.
Under 30 dynes/cm: Coating adhesion will be poor
30-35 dynes/cm: Coating adhesion will be slightly better, but you can expect more frequent cases of delamination.
35-40 dynes/cm: Coating adhesion generally good, but can have some periodic delamination or adhesion issues.
40-45 dynes/cm: Coating adhesion is good and only rarely will you see delamination problems
45+ dynes.cm: Good adhesion.
Of course, there will always be special cases but this is a good starting point.
Doug Pauls
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Hello TechNet,
I would like to sense the best practices in terms of solder mask surface tension with respect to conformal coating adhesion :
- Which standard/test method are you using?
- Which requirement (e.g. minimum value in dyn/cm²) would you
accept for the various CC types (acrylics, urethanes, silicone, parylene)?
Thanks in advance for the insights.
Best regards,
Arnaud Grivon
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