While I cannot comment as the case is ongoing, I wish to state that I do have faith in the FEQAB to fairly and consciously determine the correct action to take in this matter, else I would not have bothered with an appeal. I would also like to state that whatever the outcome of this case, I will accept it and even in the circumstance that my appeal is denied, I will not denigrate nor slander the members of FEQAB as others have done in the past, as their job is a difficult one and the rewards are meager.
R. D. Stadem

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz Answer, for FEQAB review and appeal.

Hi! Cat among the pigeons: hydrogen is a metal because all the other elements in column 1A are metals. I know metallic liquid hydrogen is said to exist...

Brian

On 29.01.2014 15:24, David D. Hillman wrote:
> Hi Bev! If one reviews the clue....." This element is presumed to be a 
> colorless gas in its natural state....", the clue did not state the Lv 
> was a gas but only presumed to be. And as you have pointed out there 
> is clearly no consensus on that statement by the materials community. 
> I agree with you, given its spot in the Periodic Table, I am thinking 
> metal but Lv is not exactly a conventional element so lots of things 
> could happen.  I did hear the FEQAB members talking at lunch yesterday 
> (they have some type of hush hush collaborative project here at 
> Rockwell Collins so Doug and I see them in the hall ways from time to 
> time) and they clearly plan to improve their appeal process research 
> efforts to be as unbiased as possible for the FEQ participants. They 
> also gave me a harsh reprimand for not covering all time zones.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From:   Bev Christian <[log in to unmask]>
> To:     "'TechNet E-Mail Forum'" <[log in to unmask]>,
> <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:   01/28/2014 07:21 PM
> Subject:        RE: [TN] NTC Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz Answer, for
> FEQAB review and appeal.
>
>
>
> I find it hard to imagine that Livermorium is a gas. Just look at the 
> PERIODIC table:
> First row, last 4 elements & going to the right - gas, gas, gas, gas 
> Second row, last 4 elements & going to the right - solid, solid, gas, 
> gas Third row, last 4 elements & going to the right - solid, solid, 
> liquid, gas Fourth row, last 4 elements & going to the right - solid, 
> solid, high vapor solid, gas Fifth row, last 4 elements & going to the 
> right - solid, solid, solid, gas Sixth row, last 4 elements & going to 
> the right - solid, X, X and probably gas.
>
> Yes, I am aware of gallium and mercury being liquid metals.  
> Nevertheless, I would be very surprised of Livermorium being anything 
> but a metal - short lived as all get out and hot as a pistol, but a 
> metal.
>
> Bev
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman
> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:44 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] NTC Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz Answer, for FEQAB 
> review and appeal.
>
> Good morning Richard - I was provided the following response from the 
> FEQAB concerning you appeal of last week's FEQ:
>
> The FEQAB reviewed Mr. Stadem's formal appeal of the January 24 FEQ 
> element Livermorium. Investigative research found two reference 
> sources (Krebs and Emsley) which both contain statements on the 
> possibility that Lv could be a gas in its natural state. And for the 
> generic name - ununhexium - FEQAB has deferred to the International 
> Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) organization which 
> approves the names and symbols of the elements for a review. Given the 
> fact that IUPAC is still reviewing a Doug submission from last year, 
> it is anticipated that a response will not be available for a 
> considerable time. The FEQAB did say they appreciate the time and 
> effort you have expended on the FEQ and hopes
>
> for you continued participation.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> From:   "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>
> To:     <[log in to unmask]>
> Date:   01/24/2014 03:32 PM
> Subject:        Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz Answer, for FEQAB review
> and appeal.
> Sent by:        TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Hillman
> I strenuously object and request that this email be formally 
> considered an
>
> appeal to the FEQAB board because the clues for this week's question 
> used the generic name Ununhexium. The correct term is hexium. This is 
> because everyone knows the latest research (and my pragmatic common 
> sense) show that unhexium is not-hexium (or hexium, not), and 
> therefore un-unhexium is
>
> not not-hexium, meaning it is hexium. In addition, I could find no 
> research that supported the clue statement that Livermorium could 
> possibly
>
> be a colorless gas in its natural state, as there is plenty of 
> evidence it
>
> has never been actually seen in its natural state and absence of 
> evidence of color is not evidence of absence of color, especially 
> since there is no
>
> known instrumentation that could capture any light spectrum or 
> diffracture
>
> while passing through this element in its short half-life of one 
> billionth
>
> of a second, or whatever it was.
>
> Mr. Hillman, I ask if you have ever met anyone who has stated that 
> they have actually seen Livermorium gas?  I challenge you to produce a 
> credible
>
> witness or viable research with proof of the visibility of 
> Livermorium. I think a 5 x 7 .pdf image of the refractory spectrum 
> with appropriate test documentation would be adequate.
>
> In researching the answer, this was a source of confusion and 
> therefore disqualifies the descriptive clues provided in this week's 
> question. As such, there can be no real winner except by sheer dumb 
> luck, and the weekly winner's archives should therefore show an 
> asterisk behind the respected Mr. Woodall's and Mr. Feyereisen's name.
>
> If it had not been for those two incorrectly-stated clues I know I 
> would have won.  Easily. Nooooo problemoooo.
>
> Signed,
> Richard D. Stadem
> Sr. Advanced Engineer/Scientist
> GENERAL DYNAMICS ADVANCED INFORMATION SYSTEMS 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:22 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz Answer
>
> Hi folks - Here is the Friday Element Quiz Answer:
>
> The Question:
> This element is presumed to be a colorless gas in its natural state. 
> It is
>
>
>
> produced by bombarding atoms of curium-248 with calcium-48 ions. It 
> was given a "real" name in 2012. What element is being described?
>
> The Answer:
> The element is Livermorium (Lv)! Element 116 was named Livermorium in 
> honor of the Livermore National Laboratory by the IUPAC in 2012. Lv 
> was discovered in December of 2000 and per IUPAC rules initially given 
> the generic name ununhexium. Lv is believe to have similar properties 
> to polonium and tellurium due to its location in the Periodic table. 
> It is also believed to be a colorless gas in its natural state.
>
>
> The winners of the weekly element quiz are Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc. 
> and
>
> Ron Feyereisen, Sigmatron Int. They will split the services of Clumpy 
> and Kloumpios for the week. I did not specify I wanted the official 
> element name so Ron's response was deemed correct by the FEQAB. Ron - 
> let me know where your facility is at and the boys will go there after 
> spending a couple of days at Leland's facility.
>
> And next week I'll find a horribly ugly US East coast time to send out 
> the
>
> Quiz question! :-)
>
>
> So far Clumpy and Kloumpios have done the following:
>
> Past Quiz winners/tasks:
> Week 1 Dick Krug,  Spartan Complex Systems Week 2 Laura Turbini, IRC 
> Week 3 James Head, Crowcon Detection Instruments Limited Week 3 Pat 
> Goodyear, PGE Week 4 Joe Russeau, Precision Analysts Laboratory Week 5 
> Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense, Space and Security Week 6 Steve Gregory 
> Week 7 Phil Kinner Week 8 Brian Ellis Week 9 James Head, Crowcon 
> Detection Instruments Limited Week 10 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> Week 11 Keith Calhoun, Sopark Corp
> Week 12 Matthias Mansfeld, Mansfeld-Elektronik Week 13 Leland Woodall, 
> CSTech Inc.
> Week 14 Brian Ellis
> Week 15 Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense, Space and Security Week 16 Steve 
> Gregory Week 17 Phil Kinner Week 18 Ian Braddock, MBDA Systems Week 19 
> Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> Week 20 Denny Fritz
> Week 21 Amol Kane
> Week 21 Dewey Whittaker, Honeywell
> Week 21 David Bealer, Watch Fire Signs Week 22 Phil Kinner Week 23 Guy 
> Ramsey, RD Circuits Week 24 Mark Kostinovsky, Schlumberger Week 25 
> Keith Calhoun, Sopark Corp Week 26 Paul Reid, PWB Interconnect 
> Solutions Inc Week 27 Greg Munie, IPC Week 28 Steve Gregory Week 29 
> Gus Trakas, Viasystems Week 29 Steve Creswick Week 30 Robert Welch, 
> Moog Component Group Week 31 Heidi Havelka, Interplex Sunbelt Week 32 
> Raye Rivera, Canoga Perkins Week 33 Steve Creswick Week 34 Dewey 
> Whittaker, Honeywell Week 35 Don Vischulis Week 36 Greg Munie, IPC 
> Week 37 Larry Dzaugis Week 37 Bonus Question Steve Mikell Week 38 Curt 
> McNamara, Logic PD
>
> Week 38 Bonus Question Dewey Whittaker, Honeywell
> - deferred the boys to Curt's facility
>
> Week 39 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> - Tell the guys I'm giving them a late Christmas present, and they can 
> spend the week at home with their wives fulfilling their own set of 
> chores.  Maybe they'll get a chance to get back to NC a little later 
> on in
>
>
>
> the year, and it will be warm enough to go fishing at the coast.
>
> Week 40 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> - assisted with ????
>
> Week 40 Ron Feyereisen, Sigmatron Int.
> - assisted with ????
>
>
> Everyone have a safe week.
>
> Dave Hillman
> Rockwell Collins
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