Hi Karl,
Thanks for the input.
What other condition can have individual glass fibers separate for the
epoxy but not have delamination other than crazing?
Sincerely,
Paul Reid
Program Coordinator
PWB Interconnect Solutions Inc.
235 Stafford Rd., West, Unit 103
Nepean, Ontario Canada, K2H 9C1
613 596 4244 ext. 229
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Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
This defect does not appear to be crazing, rather a significant
rupturing of the adjacent glass fiber bundle during drilling and more
visible after desmear. For a laminate material prone to failing CAF
resistance requirements, the extent of this rupturing facilitates
entrapment of ionics that can contribute to early resistance failures.
Regards,
Karl Sauter
On 12/10/2013 7:44 AM, Reed, Randy wrote:
> I agree with Joey assessment this is disturbed glass due to drilling
and/or etchback. This is not a craze.
>
> Viasystems Forest Grove has done CAF testing on this anomaly and
crazing. As long as the glass bundle does rupture (delamination within
the bundle) we have not had CAF test failures (CAF test results). HDPUG
may have different results on crazing since they fail material for CAF
testing due to transient resistance failures.
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Reed, ASQ CQE
> Reliability Lab - N.A.
> Viasystems Group, Inc.
> Forest Grove, Oregon
> Phone: 503.992.4421 Cell: 503.545.0150
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> From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jose A
Rios
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 7:40 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> hi paul, in my opinion, what you have here is an artifact of drilling;
not a base material or lamination defect, which is how crazing is
defined.
> this artifact may only be visible in darkfield, normal lighting may
not reveal it.
> this artifact is further enhanced if etchback is used. its a wicking
path that didnt plate up because its too deep.
> wicking acceptance criteria is defined for the plated part, not the
invisible path that remains....
>
> this would pass group a (lot conformance), but may not perform well if
caf tested.
>
> Joey Rios
> PWB & Process Quality Eng'r
> i3 Electronics
> 1093 Clark St.
> Endicott, NY 13760
> Office: 607-755-5896; Cell: 607-206-3642
>
>
>
> From: Paul Reid <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>,
> Date: 12/06/2013 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
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>
>
> Hi Russ,
>
> I'll try with this email. I think that IPC strips all attachments
however.
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Paul Reid
>
> Program Coordinator
>
> PWB Interconnect Solutions Inc.
> 235 Stafford Rd., West, Unit 103
> Nepean, Ontario Canada, K2H 9C1
>
> 613 596 4244 ext. 229
>
> Skype paul_reid_pwb
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Russ
Shepherd
> Sent: December 6, 2013 9:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Can you attach the photo to this email string?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Russ Shepherd
> Vice President of Operations
> MICROTEK LABORATORIES
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul
Reid
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 5:34 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> Hi Russ,
>
> Maybe you can help. How do I post pictures to the IPC site?
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Paul Reid
>
> Program Coordinator
>
> PWB Interconnect Solutions Inc.
> 235 Stafford Rd., West, Unit 103
> Nepean, Ontario Canada, K2H 9C1
>
> 613 596 4244 ext. 229
>
> Skype paul_reid_pwb
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Russ
Shepherd
> Sent: December 5, 2013 4:27 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> Crazing is an externally observable characteristic. If you see
crazing in a microsection it would fall under laminate defects, such as
delamination, laminate voids or cracks.
>
> If you have a photo of the condition it might make it easier to
comment on.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Russ Shepherd
> Vice President of Operations
> MICROTEK LABORATORIES
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE)
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> Was the observation as received or after thermal stress?
> Dewey
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:06 PM
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> Subject: [IPC-600-6012] Crazing
>
> I was just on a conference call where we found crazing (a separation
between glass fibers and the epoxy system), in a microsection. The
fabricator stated that this had to be evaluated looking at a board
macroscopically and could not be evaluated microscopically.
>
>
>
> Crazing is called out in IPC-A- 600 in section 2, paragraph 2.3.2 page
18, which is "Externally Observable Characteristics". In A-600 there is
picture of a microsection showing the defect but it states that a
microsection is not required.
>
>
>
> In IPC 6012-2010 crazing is call out in 3.3.2.2, page 12, which states
(I am paraphrasing), "Crazing shall not violate greater than 50% of the
distance between adjacent conductors..." The document then refers to IPC
A 600.
>
>
>
> What is your take on their argument that crazing should not be
evaluated microscopically as per IPC?
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Paul Reid
>
> Program Coordinator
>
> PWB Interconnect Solutions Inc.
> 235 Stafford Rd., West, Unit 103
> Nepean, Ontario Canada, K2H 9C1
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> 613 596 4244 ext. 229
>
> Skype paul_reid_pwb
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