One of the big disadvantage of NA training is design softwares: If you go to chinese book store in Shanghai, you can buy all kinds of books with CD-ROM of almost full version of software for AutoCad, Pro-E, Cadence, VLSI chip layout books, etc.). Based on my understanding, those are not restricted use (like one month free) type, and most of them do not need soft key to un-lock - no registration either. As long as you have a Chinese OS computer (only works on that... find it out hard way;-(. Not so in here. Almost everything you need to pay, or restricted trail out of strip down version of the software. Besides, you need to obtain soft key to un-lock already limited feature of the training software. Unless you have a deep pocket or at school to take course, you are out of luck just to get a quick feel of them... If you do pay fees to learn, you better have backgrounds - most of them are for corp training, not for newbies in NA. Software learning need to be fiddled around daily, not 2 nights per week as some community college certificate ... my 1.9 cents.
Joyce Koo
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Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 1:02 PM
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I have been following this thread on TN and have three observations.
Design training in academia that can lead to actual PCB design seems rare. (We have an initiative to work with academia in this but it's just starting.)
Corporate America doesn't seem to have their heart in training designers hence the comment that " sent to China" sounds, to me, rather accurate.
At IPC we are hoping to provide designer training that makes sense, i.e. a designer can make the case to the people who hold the purse strings that IPC education has VALUE to the bottom line.
Having said all that (and trying to avoid too much of a commercial pitch) discussions like these bring out a lot of good points. I would be interested in what the group thinks is needed in design training in the US.
Maybe . . . I can take your thoughts and run them up the IPC flagpole and see if IPC can generate industry support for better training in ALL areas where it's needed.
Greg Munie
IPC Director of Design Programs
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Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:58 AM
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A really interesting insight about the googleization of a generation. I heard about a study recently that concluded that we are becoming less intelligent because of the ability to search for answers instantly. My initial reaction was that they may be wrong. Anecdotally, I have learned an awful lot that I never expected to learn, only because I could find people on the internet to teach me. It's probably how I ended up here.
Then Ed makes the counterpoint. All this knowledge is on the internet thanks to the pioneers who learned it and shared it. If the next generation is learning from the internet instead of research, have we reached the zenith of human knowledge with the passing of the pre-google generation?
From the PCB designer perspective, the problem seems even more dire. Education is hard to come by. Companies don't see it as a separate skill set, so it gets pawned off on EEs who would rather be designing circuitry or sent to China where they are inculturated to recycle knowledge rather than expand it.
If it makes anyone feel better, there's a few out there. My son is now seeking to take his EE/CE degree into the research arena (hoping to hear from SLAC any day now), just using what he already knows has become boring. So at least there's one.
Pete
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