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I grew up on a cattle ranch in Northern Calif. closest town was 40 miles away, so had to learn by doing, Dad was a blacksmith spent many hours cranking a forge.  Lost Dad when I was 11, continued to run the ranch until I went to college (2 yr) then to Navy.   At 12 built my first radio, it was a 500 mw AM transmitter.   Disassembled my first radio at 5 it was out of the Buick, used a pair of sidecutters.   Got a butt warming for that one.  Rebuilt several tube radios in my teens.
Was an electronics tech communications nuclear in the Navy.  Earned an AS in Electronics on discharge in 82, went to work for PG&E and through work study continuing ed earned a BS in Nuclear Engineering Technology in 96.   I continued to work as a tech, since they made 1 1/2  times what an engineer made.  

One son is a graphics artist (starving), other son owns hisown business, daughter is housewife she has the BS.

pat




On Aug 14, 2013, at 7:14, Ed Popielarski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Greg,
> 
> I hope you don't mind I changed the thread subject line. It will be easier sorting later.
> 
> I hope everyone contributes to your quest as enthusiastically as they have to the root thread!
> 
> One area I see very little understanding is structural strengths. Architectural techniques can be scaled down sometimes to help with tooling, etc. as well as PCB mousebite strength (weight vs. thermal excursion), etc. Seems the typical "EE" and "IE" curricula overlook this fundamental engineering skill.
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> Ed Popielarski
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Greg Munie
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:02 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TN] Refreshment
> 
> I have been following this thread on TN and have three observations.
> 
> Design training in academia that can lead to actual PCB design seems rare. (We have an initiative to work with academia in this but it's just starting.)
> 
> Corporate America doesn't seem to have their heart in training designers hence the comment that " sent to China" sounds, to me, rather accurate.
> 
> At IPC we are hoping to provide designer training that makes sense, i.e. a designer can make the case to the people who hold the purse strings that IPC education has VALUE to the bottom line. 
> 
> Having said all that (and trying to avoid too much of a commercial pitch) discussions like these bring out a lot of good points. I would be interested in what the group thinks is needed in design training in the US.
> 
> Maybe . . . I can take your thoughts and run them up the IPC flagpole and see if IPC can generate industry support for better training in ALL areas where it's needed.
> 
> Greg Munie
> 
> IPC Director of Design Programs
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete
> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 7:58 AM
> To: Technet
> Subject: Re: [TN] Refreshment
> 
> A really interesting insight about the googleization of a generation.  I heard about a study recently that concluded that we are becoming less intelligent because of the ability to search for answers instantly.  My initial reaction was that they may be wrong.  Anecdotally, I have learned an awful lot that I never expected to learn, only because I could find people on the internet to teach me.  It's probably how I ended up here.
> 
> Then Ed makes the counterpoint.  All this knowledge is on the internet thanks to the pioneers who learned it and shared it.  If the next generation is learning from the internet instead of research, have we reached the zenith of human knowledge with the passing of the pre-google generation?
> 
> From the PCB designer perspective, the problem seems even more dire.  Education is hard to come by.  Companies don't see it as a separate skill set, so it gets pawned off on EEs who would rather be designing circuitry or sent to China where they are inculturated to recycle knowledge rather than expand it.
> 
> If it makes anyone feel better, there's a few out there.  My son is now seeking to take his EE/CE degree into the research arena (hoping to hear from SLAC any day now), just using what he already knows has become boring.  So at least there's one.
> 
> Pete
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