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Actually the next low cost area might be Africa. There were some recent PBS
docs on this.

Bob K.

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I am not that optimistic of the jobs returning to USA.  We Americans are
addicted to paying less and less for the goods.  So if China becomes too
expensive, there will be some other less developed country.  Remember before
China there were Singapore, Taiwan, and Japan.  As long as a product
requires some amount of manual labor to produce, it will be possible to move
its production to some offshore location.  Also due to strict environment
laws in this country, certain type of manufacturing will always remain
offshore.



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Ravinder Ajmani
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All that has already happened, quite a long time ago. 
The Chinese have complete wholesale processes making fake components in 
several cities. The rivers are so polluted they cannot clean the water 
enough to use for cleaning the counterfeit components after stripping them 
off the boards. I have walked through the cities such as Hangzhao and 
Shaoxing and saw the piles of electronic ICs and every other type of 
component piled on cheesecloth on the sidewalks during the rainy season, 
as the rain is the only water clean enough.  The pollution and 
unemployment right now is beyond belief. They develop their economy by 
theft of intellectual property, not by product development.
Compared to Chinese cities, Pittsburgh looks like Stenunsund or Grindevik. 
I had a few in the Gardscafe awhile back. The Swedish ale was definitely a 
cut above Iron City Beer!

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Up and then, frustrated members mention about the chinese taking the jobs 
from americans. I don't know when exactly the pendulum will swing back, 
but that will happen. The chinese stampede will end in disaster. Several 
hundred millions chinese want same standard as have their lucky 
neighbours, the rich and the prosperous middle class in the chinese 
cities. And the government wants an economy development level at 5-7 % 
year after year.
Imagine what that means. You need not be PhD or economy expert nor a 
environment expert to see what will happen:
.- fresh water will not be available for all
-  the ground water will fade
-  they will need  build thousands of waste water cleaning stations within 
a few years
- Thousands of new industries will be built, but who will buy the enormous 
lots of products
- the air will be so polluted that those with money will move
- they will have not one Pittsburg but lots of
- they forget, in the enormous building of new cities, that everything 
that was built the last twenty years must be maintained and repaired next 
decade or so. Will cost thousands billions.
- hundred thousands of doctor titulated will drown the country, finding no 
jobs, polticians will be mistrusted -fast development of African and other 
countries will minimize these countries's need of importing from China.
-lack of electricity
-lack of raw materials
-lack of oil
-infrastructural needs, too short time to cope with the rural expansion
- more that I don't see

Imagine a mile long train rushing at maximum speed and in front of the 
locomotive workers who build new rails. When the two don't match, the 
train will run on sand and the stop will be violent.

The chinese are incredible on most. but even the best will be exhausted if 
pushed too hard.

I think the nations around will finally get enough and see to their own.
Some have already begun, see the german toll increase of cheap solar 
panels from China, as an example.

The US does not have all those problems above. You are quite safe and well 
equipped compared to the hundreds million chinese who will never see such 
a living like in America.

Inge


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