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Hello, Richard and Technetters, my third post of the day. Let me correct a statement below, as skin effect differs from Hall effect. 

The latter accounts for the appearance of a potential difference (voltage) between two surfaces of a semiconductor when it is carrying an electric current and is in a magnetic field perpendicular to the direction of current flow. The electric field produced by the potential difference is perpendicular to both the direction of current and the magnetic field. There is also a quantum Hall effect, whatever that is. When I was a youngster, magnetic field meters used Hall probes. 

Louis Hart

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] High frequency, ENIG and no-clean

Sorry about that, "send" button was hit before I finished.
Ioan's original question was:
Can anybody point me towards papers talking about the influence of no-clean soldering and ENIG on high frequency performance?

- With ENIG, your final surface layer is nickel, not gold.
- For very high frequency signals (generally considered to be above 1 gigahertz), electrical conductance takes place on the surface of the trace (the nickel-plated part) due to the Hall or "skin" effect. 
- Nickel's conductivity at frequencies above 1 Ghz is somewhat reduced, compared with copper or gold. This is considered a "lossy" circuit performance. There are many papers on this subject, including some from Werner Engelmaier.
- I did not address losses through flux residues, only those regarding signal loss in Db through nickel. But again, signal crosstalk and loss through flux residue is well-documented. 

I can assure you, Bob, it is NOT "hogwash".


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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 12:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [TN] High frequency, ENIG and no-clean

Go back to Ioan's original question:


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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kondner
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] High frequency, ENIG and no-clean

Hi,

 I have often wondered if this No-Clean Flux vs. RF issue was real or hog wash so I tried to look at these links.

 The first link must have changed pages, can anyone identify the new link or subject description.

 The second link was about the Ni plating vs. RF.  I saw no reference to flux or no clean. Did I miss something in my quick scan?

Thanks,
Bob K.

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 11:31 AM
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http://www.taconic-add.com/mwg-internal/de5fs23hu73ds/progress?id=rG3E1oaXW1

http://athena-gatech.org/papers/staiculescu13.pdf

There are many more.

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ioan Tempea
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:00 AM
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Subject: [TN] High frequency, ENIG and no-clean

Dear Technos,

 

Can anybody point me towards papers talking about the influence of no-clean soldering and ENIG on high frequency performance?

 

Thanks,

 

Ioan Tempea

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