I think you will find for most reputable CM's, we use brokers only as a
very last resort (not to make money on parts).  Typically when we do buy
from Brokers, we have to pay extra for testing to ensure that the parts
are not counterfeit.  We now use the 3-tier broker classification that
lays out what their testing capability is and we usually buy only from
tier A brokers.... there are always exceptions, though.  When wrong, we
end up eating that cost....

Karen Capps
www.teligentems.com


-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Nutting
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 1:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] singulation or depanelization of circuit boards

Brokers are a dirty word here.  We only use a very small number of
brokers we have learned are reputable.  All others are avoided at all
costs.

And yes, we have seen questionable parts show up in our product coming
from CMs.  Now more emphasis is having consignment kits rather than
turnkey.

Phil

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gregg Owens
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] singulation or depanelization of circuit boards

Bob:

Unrelated question but...

If CMs are making their money on brokered parts, doesn't this
significantly increase the risk of counterfeit parts being injected into
the customer's end product? Unless they have a well developed and
implemented Counterfeit Part Control Plan.

Gregg

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kondner
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] singulation or depanelization of circuit boards

Hi Again,

 AML / AVL , good point.

Working / Managing BOMs with spreadsheets, Oh the Horrors, but yes many
folks do it that way.

 Often CMs will "Shop Around" trying to get lower prices, I assume every
nickel they save on parts goes into their margin? How many cheap
suppliers do you want involved?

 Many CMs make most of their money on brokering parts so I am not sure
how that would work out.

Bob K.

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 11:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] singulation or depanelization of circuit boards

Bob,

Our production CMs have access to our AML database, they can log right
in and check only projects they are building.  How they match it to
their database, I'm not sure.  In the case of PCB fabs, our fabs would
be unique in their systems anyway.  For Proto CMs, we're only doing a
few dozen at a time, they may not yet even have full documentation.
They often will work from spreadsheets with our AML info added.

Pete

PS: "AML" vs. "AVLl".  We're having that internal misunderstanding now.
I have 6 manufacturers for this relay, I don't care which distributor
gives you the best price.  Supply chain is concerned we have too many
vendors, we really have a few vendors who source from many
manufacturers.


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