Using IPC material was not strictly what got Moonman into trouble. Here is the straight scoop that I got DIRECTLY FROM IPC when I was writing an article about IPC-2152 (current carrying capability), and used plenty of material copied right out of the document. Moonman was lifting entire sections (with illustrations) without giving credit. Anyway, here is what I was given when I asked:
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TEXT is usually developed by committee members from industry and IPC is able to grant permission to use TEXT from industry consensus standards, depending on end use. This would usually include tables. The amount of text that is requested for use determines whether there is any license fee. Credit must be given to the IPC source and written permission for the specific text must be requested of IPC. Normally, up to 10% of the TEXT of a document can be used with no fees. More than 10% will have license fees dependent on the quantity of text and expected distribution.
ILLUSTRATIONS and pictures have significant investment on the part of IPC staff to make the drawings. Further, IPC does not "own" all of the illustrations and pictures; some are copyrighted by other companies and we have to have third party approval for use. Generally, we limit license of illustrations to non-commercial, internal company documents such as training or display posters provided neither the illustrations or the work they are placed in are sold.
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hope that helps, and that you are not getting discouraged....
Anyway,
I see a huge difference between:
- someone deciding to share THEIR OWN pictures with the group
- posting conference papers or other publications
Just to avoid any conflict I think you should stay "pictures only" and let members share papers privately, as they see fit.
(don't stick your neck out for US, in other words)
so I'm wondering what you mean by "CLOSED".
Regardless, I can post pictures on my site if you are getting nervous.
Jack
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On Thu, 5 Jan 2012 21:01:00 -0500, Steve Gregory <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>I'm with you my friend. That's it. Closed.
>
>Steve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Inge Hernefjord
>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:00 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] ist report: PCB vs baking vs design
>
>I was apparently blueeyed. Checked further and found this: if you present
>officially a graph or a picture or a formula from someone's paper, you
>violate. Not only that...if you have found in a report the answer to your
>problem and present that in a mail to others by saying 'guys, if you make x
>and then do y and follow up by mixing z, you may violate because it looks
>like you have copied a phrase. And if you change the phrase to avoid the
>copy law, you can still be accused..etc
>
>So, all kind of worthful stuff that I have saved during many years is in
>pricipal worthless, can as well let it all go into a container and burn it.
>Wished the chinese were as honest and law-abiding as we are.
>
>The conclusion is that I can continue chatting about weather and common
>stuff , but avoid discussing too much technical details. My source told me
>that there is a problem going on day and night on Internet: report fishing!
>
>That's it. Closed.
>
>Inge
>
>
>
>
>
>On 5 January 2012 20:25, Guy Ramsey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Brian is right. It is what got Earl Moon into trouble with the IPC.
>> I could see his point, the data and work was provided to the IPC in the
>> interest of promoting knowledge in the industry.
>> But, then again, why should any individual be able to publish that
>> information for personal profit.
>> Here, we are not trying to profit but the law still applies.
>> Guy
>>
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