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Inge,

I would be happy to post your pieces to our website and link back to the
TechNet forum. It would expand the readership considerably and hopefully
bring some new faces (and voices) to this listerv. Just let me know and we
can work out the details offline.

Best,
Mike

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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amol Kane
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 2:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant

I agree!.....it would be very helpful for all technet folks.

Amol Kane | Process Engineer
Catalyst Manufacturing Services, Inc.
941 Route 38, Owego NY 13827
Phone: (607) 687-7669 Extn 349 | Website: www.catalystems.com

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant

Thanks, me honored. I'll consider what you said.

Inge

On 29 December 2011 11:19, Mike Fenner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Inge
> Your breadth and dept of knowledge is profound, so if you were to
> pontificate on a topic of the week/month on any subject you fancy would
be
> most welcome, I'm sure it would provoke a discussion and be saved for
> reference.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Fenner
> Bonding Services & Products
> T: +44 [0] 1865 522 663 E: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
>
> l still have one early VCR, a Betamax with toploading. And a Thorn. And
a
> Revox Studer B77A. And a Beocord. Wife has tried repeatedly to make me
> throw them, but I 'can't ' of reasons that only a retrogeek can
understand.
>
> By the way, the Xmas celebrating on TechNet is not longer what it was
once.
> At the time when Moon Man and Klasek and Barmuta and Randy Bock and Ryan
> Grant etc were active, we wrote poems and rhymes and I could have more
than
> 25 Xmas greetings in my mailbox. Steve Gregory was the dynamo at that
time.
>
> I have an idea how to vitalize the forum, but I doubt I can do what I
> proposed, namely, to deliver one or two technical articles or reports
each
> week. Not newwritten, but from my own archive. The bad type with horns
> whisper in my ear ' don't do it, noone will read. Why waste your energy
on
> meaningless tasks'.  I plugged both ears, but the thoughts were already
> planted and are more or less permanent now. Seems as if the number of
> active members are just a handful nowadays.
>
> Inge
>
>
> On 26 December 2011 19:51, Joyce Koo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Inge, your last remark of the post remind me an counter part of once
my
> > old customer told me: "when you become a MGR, your brain got sucked
out".
> > Well, I still owned a 4 head VCR in 1989 vintage.  Work well today
> (except
> > EL display) without any maintenance (not even cleaned once of the
head).
> A
> > G4 iMac since 97 never hit a glitch (still use it everyday).  Well,
the
> > warrentee at that time is hardly used or not need to be brought:
extended
> > or otherwise.  It came with the name-design.  Not any more.  Still
marvel
> > the Cassini workmanship.  Beauty (love it)!
> > We were the lucky and endangered species that still remember and
> > experience the good design of common sense and inner beauty.
> > --------------------------
> > Sent using BlackBerry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Inge [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 04:21 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> > Not only in the PWB world..,.some of you had a seat in whole day
meeting
> > with chairs designed with 90 degrees support for the back. Instead of
a
> > chair, one got a torture tool. Or when you are going to mount a 110 V
> plug
> > on a outdoor cable. Your unscrew the plug's cover and open it and then
> you
> > realize, too late, that the little screw fell to the muddy ground and
> > disappeared. Or the high speed hand held grinding machine that did not
> > start
> > again, because the springs that press the carbons against the
collector
> > were
> > too weak. Or some cigarette lightners that are so idiotic done,  that
you
> > get the hot flame on your thumb instead of on the cigarett. Or the
> laptops
> > that have not distances to stand on, so there will come no input
cooling
> > air
> > and the poor circulation fan is running to death when trying to get
air.
> As
> > you said, the list could be long. Now I come to what makes me groan:
when
> > you point at the bad design (which is  NOT solely about the outer
shape)
> > you
> > get the answer ' man, what can you expect from a piece that costs you
> only
> > one geen. What a lost sole! He does apperently not know, that the
owner
> of
> > the company lives as a billionaire on the Bahamas. And HE uses a
Ronson
> > when
> > he lights his havanna cigar.
> >
> > I meet bad designs every day and so do we all. It's the mentality
today
> for
> > many people. Why bother? Why wake up at midnight and make a sketch for
a
> > new
> > concept?  Why work in the lab voluntarily over the weekend for so few
> > dollars ?  Etc. When the younger came in to my office (I'm retired
now)
> > they
> > marvelled when they saw my fact and knowledge backup. They shrugged
and
> > meant ' poor old man...we are only on a temporary mission.. have other
> > goals'.  True. I belong to the idiots that had no time to jump in
zigzag
> to
> > the top positions. On the other hand....I stood one day in the rain on
> the
> > bank of a local little creek. I studied the small dippers in my
> binoculars.
> > Heard a voice close to my right and turned, It was the president of
the
> > company where I worked . We chatted about this and that, and he asked
me
> > about my job (he knew me a little from the organisation plan). I told
him
> > about the struggle against cost, time, technical obstacles, but also
> about
> > the amusing and funny moments.  His comment :  ' Happy man, you know
> lots.
> > I
> > became president and now I know nothing'.
> >
> > Inge
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Wolfe" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> >
> > My Turn on The Soap Box
> > I 100% agree with yours & Pete Houwen's comments
> >
> > No offense to anyone just starting out in design, don't take this the
> wrong
> > way, but I absolutely CRINGE
> > when I read some of the questions posted here & mostly on the
Designers
> > Council forum about design.
> > Like "What is a via?" Pretty scary stuff!!!!!!!!
> > I keep hoping I won't be buying any products designed by these people.
> > Problem is everyone needs to start someplace
> > (however it would help though to have at least one other Sr. level
person
> > with you in the dept as a Mentor)
> > It is a good thing is we have these types of forums & the fact that
they
> > are
> > actually asking questions
> > and not blindly muddling along is somewhat comforting. But an email
forum
> > can't replace formal training.
> > Proper training in both design & CAD tool should be absolutely
> > required!!!!!!
> > Once one has had extensive design experience & been thru a few CAD
> systems
> > only then should one consider self training on a new CAD system.
> > But formal training does shorten that learning curve substantially.
> > Happy Holidays
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rex Waygood
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:00 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> > A follow on from
> > QFP centre slug over signal vias
> >
> > There are some interesting comments in the QFP thread which are to do
> > with PCB design and they have caused me to pull out my current soap
box.
> >
> > I would like to be a bit extreme and say there should be a tax of a
few
> > thousand pounds or dollars imposed upon those that give away free CAD
> > packages. The money raised should be provided to vendors who sell real
> > CAD packages to subsidise PCB layout training in order to allow cost
> > effective and reliable pcb design, assembly design, rework and design
> > for test to be taught properly.
> >
> > Why is it that an electronics engineer will design a circuit and then
> > feel that he is competent to lay out the circuit using a free CAD
> > package? The fact that the CAD package was free meant that management
> > were not involved and the consequences of a PCB being laid out by
> > someone with little or no knowledge of the pcb industry or even the
> > assembly industry were not considered.
> >
> > The list of stupid things we see is very long, it results in pcbs and
> > assemblies being more expensive to procure, less reliable to
> > manufacture, difficult to make, impossible to test, slower to get into
> > production and just downright rubbish. The free CAD package cannot
> > provide intelligent data means that a reverse engineering process is
> > required to attempt to undo some of the stupidities we see. Words like
> > DRC and libraries are an unknown for many using these packages.
> >
> > Also I'd rather tell a six year old that Fred, their pet turkey, is
> > required as a sacrifice for thanks giving day than explain to a young
> > circuit designer with a free CAD package that he is delving into areas
> > that he should stay out of and that his layout is very bad. That
doesn't
> > mean I don't do it but Fred's demise is easier.
> >
> > I could go on but mince pies are calling
> > Happy winter solstice
> > Rex
> >
> >
> >
> >
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