I agree!.....it would be very helpful for all technet folks.
Amol Kane | Process Engineer
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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 1:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
Thanks, me honored. I'll consider what you said.
Inge
On 29 December 2011 11:19, Mike Fenner <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Inge
> Your breadth and dept of knowledge is profound, so if you were to
> pontificate on a topic of the week/month on any subject you fancy would be
> most welcome, I'm sure it would provoke a discussion and be saved for
> reference.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mike Fenner
> Bonding Services & Products
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:49 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
>
> l still have one early VCR, a Betamax with toploading. And a Thorn. And a
> Revox Studer B77A. And a Beocord. Wife has tried repeatedly to make me
> throw them, but I 'can't ' of reasons that only a retrogeek can understand.
>
> By the way, the Xmas celebrating on TechNet is not longer what it was once.
> At the time when Moon Man and Klasek and Barmuta and Randy Bock and Ryan
> Grant etc were active, we wrote poems and rhymes and I could have more than
> 25 Xmas greetings in my mailbox. Steve Gregory was the dynamo at that time.
>
> I have an idea how to vitalize the forum, but I doubt I can do what I
> proposed, namely, to deliver one or two technical articles or reports each
> week. Not newwritten, but from my own archive. The bad type with horns
> whisper in my ear ' don't do it, noone will read. Why waste your energy on
> meaningless tasks'. I plugged both ears, but the thoughts were already
> planted and are more or less permanent now. Seems as if the number of
> active members are just a handful nowadays.
>
> Inge
>
>
> On 26 December 2011 19:51, Joyce Koo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Inge, your last remark of the post remind me an counter part of once my
> > old customer told me: "when you become a MGR, your brain got sucked out".
> > Well, I still owned a 4 head VCR in 1989 vintage. Work well today
> (except
> > EL display) without any maintenance (not even cleaned once of the head).
> A
> > G4 iMac since 97 never hit a glitch (still use it everyday). Well, the
> > warrentee at that time is hardly used or not need to be brought: extended
> > or otherwise. It came with the name-design. Not any more. Still marvel
> > the Cassini workmanship. Beauty (love it)!
> > We were the lucky and endangered species that still remember and
> > experience the good design of common sense and inner beauty.
> > --------------------------
> > Sent using BlackBerry
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Inge [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 04:21 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> > Not only in the PWB world..,.some of you had a seat in whole day meeting
> > with chairs designed with 90 degrees support for the back. Instead of a
> > chair, one got a torture tool. Or when you are going to mount a 110 V
> plug
> > on a outdoor cable. Your unscrew the plug's cover and open it and then
> you
> > realize, too late, that the little screw fell to the muddy ground and
> > disappeared. Or the high speed hand held grinding machine that did not
> > start
> > again, because the springs that press the carbons against the collector
> > were
> > too weak. Or some cigarette lightners that are so idiotic done, that you
> > get the hot flame on your thumb instead of on the cigarett. Or the
> laptops
> > that have not distances to stand on, so there will come no input cooling
> > air
> > and the poor circulation fan is running to death when trying to get air.
> As
> > you said, the list could be long. Now I come to what makes me groan: when
> > you point at the bad design (which is NOT solely about the outer shape)
> > you
> > get the answer ' man, what can you expect from a piece that costs you
> only
> > one geen. What a lost sole! He does apperently not know, that the owner
> of
> > the company lives as a billionaire on the Bahamas. And HE uses a Ronson
> > when
> > he lights his havanna cigar.
> >
> > I meet bad designs every day and so do we all. It's the mentality today
> for
> > many people. Why bother? Why wake up at midnight and make a sketch for a
> > new
> > concept? Why work in the lab voluntarily over the weekend for so few
> > dollars ? Etc. When the younger came in to my office (I'm retired now)
> > they
> > marvelled when they saw my fact and knowledge backup. They shrugged and
> > meant ' poor old man...we are only on a temporary mission.. have other
> > goals'. True. I belong to the idiots that had no time to jump in zigzag
> to
> > the top positions. On the other hand....I stood one day in the rain on
> the
> > bank of a local little creek. I studied the small dippers in my
> binoculars.
> > Heard a voice close to my right and turned, It was the president of the
> > company where I worked . We chatted about this and that, and he asked me
> > about my job (he knew me a little from the organisation plan). I told him
> > about the struggle against cost, time, technical obstacles, but also
> about
> > the amusing and funny moments. His comment : ' Happy man, you know
> lots.
> > I
> > became president and now I know nothing'.
> >
> > Inge
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Wolfe" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> >
> > My Turn on The Soap Box
> > I 100% agree with yours & Pete Houwen's comments
> >
> > No offense to anyone just starting out in design, don't take this the
> wrong
> > way, but I absolutely CRINGE
> > when I read some of the questions posted here & mostly on the Designers
> > Council forum about design.
> > Like "What is a via?" Pretty scary stuff!!!!!!!!
> > I keep hoping I won't be buying any products designed by these people.
> > Problem is everyone needs to start someplace
> > (however it would help though to have at least one other Sr. level person
> > with you in the dept as a Mentor)
> > It is a good thing is we have these types of forums & the fact that they
> > are
> > actually asking questions
> > and not blindly muddling along is somewhat comforting. But an email forum
> > can't replace formal training.
> > Proper training in both design & CAD tool should be absolutely
> > required!!!!!!
> > Once one has had extensive design experience & been thru a few CAD
> systems
> > only then should one consider self training on a new CAD system.
> > But formal training does shorten that learning curve substantially.
> > Happy Holidays
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rex Waygood
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:00 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] PCB Design Rant
> >
> > A follow on from
> > QFP centre slug over signal vias
> >
> > There are some interesting comments in the QFP thread which are to do
> > with PCB design and they have caused me to pull out my current soap box.
> >
> > I would like to be a bit extreme and say there should be a tax of a few
> > thousand pounds or dollars imposed upon those that give away free CAD
> > packages. The money raised should be provided to vendors who sell real
> > CAD packages to subsidise PCB layout training in order to allow cost
> > effective and reliable pcb design, assembly design, rework and design
> > for test to be taught properly.
> >
> > Why is it that an electronics engineer will design a circuit and then
> > feel that he is competent to lay out the circuit using a free CAD
> > package? The fact that the CAD package was free meant that management
> > were not involved and the consequences of a PCB being laid out by
> > someone with little or no knowledge of the pcb industry or even the
> > assembly industry were not considered.
> >
> > The list of stupid things we see is very long, it results in pcbs and
> > assemblies being more expensive to procure, less reliable to
> > manufacture, difficult to make, impossible to test, slower to get into
> > production and just downright rubbish. The free CAD package cannot
> > provide intelligent data means that a reverse engineering process is
> > required to attempt to undo some of the stupidities we see. Words like
> > DRC and libraries are an unknown for many using these packages.
> >
> > Also I'd rather tell a six year old that Fred, their pet turkey, is
> > required as a sacrifice for thanks giving day than explain to a young
> > circuit designer with a free CAD package that he is delving into areas
> > that he should stay out of and that his layout is very bad. That doesn't
> > mean I don't do it but Fred's demise is easier.
> >
> > I could go on but mince pies are calling
> > Happy winter solstice
> > Rex
> >
> >
> >
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