Well yesish and possibly, but if yes then indirectly.
Washingtons were in the North East of England then moved south to Sulgrave
and then from there a good few years later to British North America. So both
claims have some validity.
Naturally the Washington family coat of arms is also over the door at
Sulgrave,
Whether it was an inspiration for the stars in the stars and stripes is
moot. Who knows? Certainly possible if only unconsciously. I am not a great
historian but so far as I understand it, the history of that time is a good
deal more complicated than is generally appreciated, outside US/Canada
anyway, and allegiances and therefore flags followed them. Much more than
the simplified version usually handed out to tourists in US that’s for sure.
A striped flag was certainly used by both the North American English and by
the British/Old English (with a cross or what ever top left) for some
colonies. We also have to remember the Dutch and some other flags also used
striped designs.
The white stripes on red background were first used by the colonists when
trying to retain/gain the same treatment/rights as other English people,
which is how they then regarded themselves. The white stripes on English red
field flag allowed them to differentiate themselves from Old England, but to
also to affirm their Englishness. (By then the “Official” New England flag
was a British Union flag top corner of a solid red flag). Later when the
dispute resolved to Americans versus the Crown did they remove the Union
motif and filled the empty space with stars. The Washington family crest
might well have been the inspiration for the stars,. Unfortunately if there
were any minutes of the meetings when they decided to do this they don’t
seem to have come down to present day.
Regards
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 4:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz - the Answer
Actually, George's family came from Co. Durham:
Washington Old Hall is a manor house located in the Washington area of
Tyne and Wear. It lies in the centre of Washington, being surrounded by
other villages.
<quote Wiki>The manor was the ancestral home of the family of George
Washington, the first President of the United States.
History
William de Hertburne, an ancestor of George Washington, assumed tenancy
of the Wessyngtonlands from the Bishop of Durham for an annual fee of
£4. Soon after, he changed his name to William de Wessyngton (later
Washington). Although he used the Norman French spelling (based on a
Middle English rendition of the original), the estate is of Anglo-Saxon
(specifically Anglic) origin, originally being "Hwæssaingatun", meaning
"estates of the descendents of Hwæssa" (Hwæssa being rendered Wassa in
Modern English). In 1613 the Washington family moved south to Sulgrave
Manor, and the manor was sold to the Bishop of Durham.
</quote>
An interesting thing is that there is a very old coat-of-arms above the
gate of Washington Hall, I think in stained glass, IIRC. It comprises a
row of three white stars on a blue background, surmounting three
horizontal red stripes on a white background, a prototype of a more
famous banner?
Also, one can motor from Washington Old Hall to New York in about 15 or
20 minutes! New York is an old mining hamlet in Northumberland, now
incorporated in Shiremoor or Murton.
Brian
On 17/12/2011 16:48, Mike Fenner wrote:
> According to Wiki one of the earliest printed versions of the Rhyme was
> actually in North America! You will see that the Puritans knocked the
> original cross down, presumably just before going to America, (Banbury was
> then a strong puritan centre, coincidentally the ancestral family of a
> certain George Washington is also just up the road in Sulgrave)
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ride_a_cock_horse_to_Banbury_Cross
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
>
> _____
>
> From: Dennis Fritz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:19 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz - the Answer
>
>
>
> Guess our nursery rhymes are modernized here in the Colonies. However, we
do
> get Bletchley Park about every other month on our History Channel TV.
> Breaking the German code, the Enigma machine, etc. Just last night, I saw
a
> bit on "Antiques Roadshow" from England where the chronometer from U-Boat
> 110 which was driven to the surface, boarded, and had both the Enigma
> machine and code book recovered. The chronometer was handed down from the
> father to his son -who brought it to the Show. I think the value given
was
> "priceless".
>
>
>
> Enjoy Klumpy and Klumpoulos. They are experienced at counting tin
whiskers.
> I got sidetracked on this one as I was looking for a cause for "mad-cow
> disease" and that is not a single element. Of course, here in the
Colonies
> we call the stuff "cesium".
>
>
>
> Denny Fritz
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Fenner<[log in to unmask]>
> To: TechNet<[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 7:16 am
> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz - the Answer
>
> When I saw Bev had said Mn, I thought he's done it again, but then I
> thought, it doesn't really fit everything.
> Then 1986> Chernobyl> Fallout> Welsh hill sides> Caesium.
> So that's good for me as I could do with some intelligent muscle for a
week.
> They can start on a rebuild of the suspension on my Classic Triumph. This
> will undoubtedly involve impact engineering in the dismantling process -
> those parts have been together now for 50 years or so. IF time permits
I'll
> show them round a few local sites as well for a little holiday before
> returning to warmer Climes. Blenheim Palace, Bletchley Park and of course
> Banbury Cross (famous to some from the nursery rhyme) are all handy from
> here.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
> BS&P
> T: +44 [0] 1865 522 663 E: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> ] On
Behalf
> Of David D. Hillman
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 11:36 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] NTC Friday Element Quiz - the Answer
>
> Hi folks - Here is the Friday Element Quiz Answer:
>
> The Question:
>
> This element has diverse applications from space vehicles to a skin
> rejuvenation cream in Japan! This element has caused terrible problems for
>
> the livestock industry in the British Isles and regions of Western Europe
> starting in 1986. The element in hydroxide form can dissolve glass. What
> element is being described?
>
> The Answer:
>
> The element is Caesium (Cs)! In Japan, there is a "caesium gel" which is
> sold as a skin cream supposedly working by boosting enzymes. Caesium
> thrusters are used on some space craft for steering. The Cs is ionized in
> a vacuum chamber, the ions are accelerated thru an electric field and
> ejected thru a nozzle. The heavier the ions, the larger the impulse and
> caesium has a high atomic mass. A downside is that caesium is corrosive so
> Xenon is often used instead as it is easier to handle. In 1986 the
> Chernobyl accident released a large amount of Caesium-137, with a half
> life of 30 years, over Western Europe. Livestock, such as sheep in the
> British Isles, pick up the Cs from grazing. Caesium hydroxide is highly
> caustic and can dissolve glass. In the USA, Cs is spelled Cesium.
>
>
> The winner of the weekly element quiz is Mike Fenner, Indium, and he will
> get the services of Clumpy and Kloumpios for a week. Phil Kenner correctly
> recognized the date of the Chernobyl accident and gets an honorary bonus
> award. The boys hopped on a cargo flight at the Cedar Rapids airport and
> are on their way to Mike's place in the UK. After helping Mike with their
> assigned tasks, the boys are getting a two week holiday break as this is
> the last Friday Element Quiz until January (Clumpy and Kloumpios are going
> to assist me with getting the Xmas tree up next week). We have covered 64
> of the elements in the Periodic Table so far if you are keeping count. I
> hope that everyone has a safe and happy holiday season.
>
>
> So far Clumpy and Kloumpios have:
>
> Week 1 Lamar Young, SCS Coatings
> - accomplished nothing (drank lots of coffee)
>
> Week 2 Bev Christian, RIM
> - conducted REACH material testing
>
> Week 3 Drew Meyer, Benchmark Electronics Inc.
> - Solderability testing and mowed the lawn
>
> Week 4 Ian Fox, Goodrich
> - had an epic journey of travel
>
> Week 4 Gary Ferrari, Garrick Global
> - unknown
>
> Week 5 Fredrick Miller, Astrolab
> - unknown
>
> Week 6 David Nelson, Raytheon
> - Were tackling dummys for Dallas Cowboys
>
> Week 7 Graham Collins, L3 Communications
> - Cleaned gutters and painted window trim
>
> Week 8 Bill Noel, ITT Geospatial Systems Division
> - unknown
>
> Week 9 Steve Gregory of RD Circuits
> - unknown
>
> Week 10 David Bealer of Watchfire Signs
> - descaled the in-line wash machine! Ouch!
>
> Week 11 Dick Krug of Sparton Corporation
> - assisted with AS9100 quality management systems requirements audit
>
> Week 12 Steve Creswick of Balanced Enterprise Solutions
> - Acted as Steve's "go fer" due to a broken leg!
>
> Week 13 Gebhard Neifer, Delphi
> - conducted a plasma pre treatment Taguchi DOE for a sealing process
>
> Week 14 Bev Christian, RIM
> - assisted with a tin pest investigation/test
>
> Week 15 Bev Christian, RIM
> - assisted Bev shoveling snow
>
> Week 16 David Bealer of Watchfire Signs
> - assisted with reflow profiling
>
> Week 17 Brian Ellis, rumored to be retired
> - assisted with rewiring the house, had a tractor accident and found his
> cousin Kloumpios
>
> Week 18 Denny Fritz, SAIC
> - assisted with tin whisker inspection/examinations
>
> Week 19 Graham Collins, L3 Communications
> - assisted with scraping barnacles, boat paint and boat engine maintenance
>
> Week 20 Mark Woolley, PTRL Laboratory Avaya
> - assisted with weather observations (70F to snow) and resolving
> electrochemical migration failures
>
> Week 20 Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense, Space and Security
> - assisted with commercial aircraft galley inspection
>
> Week 21 Brian Ellis, supposedly retired, and Tom Carroll, Boeing Defense,
> Space and Security
> - assisted with root cause corrective action tasks
> - assisted with nothing but catching up with the family
>
> Week 22 Drew Meyer, Benchmark Electronics Inc.
> - assisted with metallographic cross-sections and Dye& Pry testing
>
> Week 23 Bev Christian, RIM
> - assisted with a creep corrosion project and the setting up of an oxygen
> bomb
>
> Week 24 Steve Gregory, RD Circuits
> - unknown
>
> Week 25 Ahne Oosterhof, A-Laser
> - assisted with stencil aperture data analysis and split/stacked firewood
>
> Week 26 Scott Post, Delphi
> - assisted/participated in the Kokomo Airshow Race Event
>
> Week 27 Brian Ellis, supposedly retired
> - assisted with tedious website work and family home cooking
>
> Week 28 Nigel Burtt
> - abandoned Nigel and were rumored to be involved in UK News Corps/News
> International cellphone/journalism/politics scandal
>
> Week 29 Richard Stadem,GD-AIS
> - unknown
>
> Week 30 Robert Wolfe, Kimchuk Inc and Graham Naisbitt, Gen3
> - assisted with a hot tub refurbishment for post work day de-stressing
> - assisted with SIR and Cleanliness testing
>
> Week 31 Bev Christian, RIM Inc, and Denny Fritz, SAIC
> - assisted with lab testing
> - assisted with tin whisker investigations
>
> Week 32 Steve Mikell, supposedly retired
> - attempted to provide both US Congress and EU lawmakers "engineered"
> solutions
>
> Week 33 Mark Woolley, PTRL Laboratory Avaya
> - unknown
>
> Week 34 Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> - assisted with new model qualifications,updating supporting
> documentation, strain gaging, performing cross sections, verifying a new
> selective soldering process, and finally assisted with the development of
> a plant-wide countermeasure effectiveness auditing program (Wow, they had
> to work hard this week!)
>
> Week 35 Joe Russeau, Precision Analytical Laboratories
> - assisted with new equipment preparations
>
> Week 36 Patrick Goodyear, PGE
> - assisted with beach trash collection duty
>
> Week 37 Dave Elder, Tait Radio Communications
> - assisted Dave Hillman with a geography lesson, watch USA vs Irland in
> World Rugby Cup and went skiing.
>
> Week 38 Steve Mikell, supposedly retired
> - took the week off, and went to see some Tampa Bay Rays games
>
> Week 39 Andy Giamis, Commscope
> - assisted with metallographic cross-sectional analysis of die cast Mg and
> taught a group of Cub Scouts how to hotwire a tractor
>
> Week 40 Gebhard Neifer, Delphi
> - assisted with a customer audit
>
> Week 41 Ian Fox, Aero Engine Controls
> - assisted with pcb cross-section analysis
>
> Week 42 Andy Giamis, Commscope
> - Andy gave them the week off (BBQ and English ale party)
>
> Week 43: 4 winners
> Bev Christian, RIM
> - assisted with testing of phthalates
> Leland Woodall, CSTech Inc.
> - assisted with installing a new fuel pump on the tractor, mowing my yard
> and raking the leaves/pine needles.
> Patrick Goodyear, PGE
> - assisted with relaxing on the beach following kelp removal efforts
> Richard Stadem,GD-AIS
> - assisted with the qualification of a Radon-fueled Airvac PCBRM 5.2 with
> its new 50,000 watt pre-heater and Radon emitting laser reflow head
>
> Week 44 Patrick Goodyear, PGE
> - assisted with sifting sand at the beach looking for sand dollars
>
> Week 45 Dock Brown, Medtronic
> - assisted with the synthesizing a postmodern fusion of Firesign's
> Department of Redundancy Department with Sokol's boundary transgression
> quantum gravity paradigm shift
>
> Week 46 Dock Brown, Medtronic
> - assisted with ???
> Bev Christian, RIM
> - assisted RIM co-ops with research projects
>
> Week 47 Graham Collins, L3 Communications
> - assisted with counterfeit part inspection and snow plow duty
>
> Week 48 Mike Fenner, Indium
> - assisted with ???
>
>
> Everyone have a safe week and a happy holiday season!
>
>
> Dave Hillman
> Rockwell Collins
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