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there is no dew or not to dew -- there is only 'it depends'



From:
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Re: [TN] FW: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes
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Forgot one....

Dew or not to Dew

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey 
(EHCOE)
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:25 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] FW: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes

 

 

Speaking of an Apocalypse; I love the smell of RMA in the morning. 

All paste/flux compositions/combinations have their limitations (you 
thought I was going to say prose and cons). You need to identify them and 
the resultant compatibilities or the lack there-of. Some are as follows:

*         Clean or not to clean

*         Bake or not to bake

*         Coat or not to coat

*         Test or not to test

*         Time or not to time (mandate or need to have minimum time to 
clean after reflow)

*         Mask or not to mask (SMOBC or resist)

*         End-use environment or not

*         High Solids content or marginally so

*         IC or Church of Scientology

*         SIR or hey you

 

I don't know if you can truly get a RMA anymore, but they certainly have 
washed up many careers.

Stay thirsty my friends (for knowledge that is) and you can choose/create 
the process that best suits your product/customer requirements.

Dewey

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kondner

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:08 AM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes

 

As my neurons warm up I recall:

 

 I loved RMA, great flux and non-corrosive. If it "Got Stuck" under

components no big deal. Get OA trapped under parts with vias and it is all

over in 5 years or less. 

 

My issue with cleaning was we wound up doing 2 cleaning cycles. The first

was after wave or reflow. This got the board clean so it could be easily

handled. After rework we cleaned again. We were building board level

products so they had to "Look Good" which meant no spots of flux where THT

or touch up had been performed by hand.

 

  We used OA for THT and rework which cleaned up in plain water fine. 

 

Bob K.

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Amol Kane

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:53 AM

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Subject: Re: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes

 

Ioan,

We use RMA flux on a regular basis. Would you be using it on SMT and/or

wave?.....as phil mentioned, RMA flux needs to be cleaned in a saponified

wash. Alcohol is a very bad de-fluxer in general and should not be used on

RMA fluxes. In case of spot/hand cleaning, we use the Ensolv aerosol

cleaner.

 

 

 

Amol Kane | Process Engineer

Catalyst Manufacturing Services, Inc.

941 Route 38, Owego NY 13827

Phone: (607) 687-7669 Extn 349 | Website: www.catalystems.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Nutting

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:45 AM

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Subject: Re: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes

 

Ioan,

 

"Flux for Dummies" version;

 

RMA flux works just fine with the correct processing.  If you are locked 
in

to the RMA, then cleaning will best be done with a saponifier in a water

wash system.  Alcohol only does a good job of diluting the flux and

spreading it over the entire board.

 

Water soluble flux (OA) will work just fine, but again with the 
appropriate

wash and dry.

 

My engineers were leery of OA flux until I produced boards that were 
cleaner

than we had ever gotten.  Now it is all they will accept.

 

I am sure there are some of our TechNet friend out there that can give a

much more detailed response.

 

Regards,

 

Phil Nutting

 

-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ioan Tempea

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 9:08 AM

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Subject: [TN] Rookie question on RMA fluxes

 

Dear Technos,

 

 

 

Although I've been around in this trade of ours for quite a while now, I

have never had the occasion to work with RMA fluxes. I need to know how 
this

functions. How can RMA be cleaned, I've heard about alcohol...? Is regular

aqueous wash enough? If alcohol only, do we need a special equipment?

Anything else to know?

 

And, anyways, are RMA fluxes still available?

 

 

 

Also, I imagine most of you at ease with RMA have tried to talk your

customers into converting to water soluble flux chemistries. How hard was

that? Is it possible?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Ioan Tempea, ing.

Ingénieur Principal de Fabrication / Senior Manufacturing Engineer T |

450.967.7100 ext.244 E | [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> W |

www.digico.cc <http://www.digico.cc/>

 

 

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