I guess I have to agree with you. I also have a lot of respect for the paper industry quality control people. Ever noticed how cardboard tastes the same all over the world also?
Ok, Ok, I was just kidding...
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gregg Owens
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
Joyce:
I have a lot of respect as well. The assembly instructions for their foods are in pictures - words not required. Also, in my limited world travels a Big Mac tastes the same everywhere. How's that for process control on an international scale.
Gregg Owens
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joyce Koo
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
Let's be frank about it: I have a lot of respect to the McDonald guys who set up the quality control system. It is the best in the world. Consider how many people they have to train and turn over of staff. If you go to end of the world, you see a big Mac, you can expect more less the same taste (super size me type). Excellent QA system, it is a real engineering achievement (consider over how many years with the big Mac... not all of us can say that: the warrantee of computers are getting less nowadays to 6 month?). I have a lot of respect for McDonald. My 2 cent.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:30 PM
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LOL. Boy, you got that right.
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From: Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:07 PM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Stadem, Richard D.
Subject: RE: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
That's because they acquire their skills in short-order; whereas some
people feel we can never be trained.
Dewey
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
The people working at McDonald's have a salary that we engineers can
only dream of.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
Phillip,
those guys work in a multi billion industry. They have probably a salary
that we in electronics can only dream of.
/Inge
On 14 September 2011 19:39, <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I never knew there was a society of cosmetic chemists.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:33 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
>
> Doug,
>
> Triboelectric means adding or stealing electrons through friction. How
> can a
> uncured glue (liquid with a high viscosity) move electrons from your
> nozzle?
> I've been in the game for decades and not heard about such things.
I've
> participated in p-p courses, glue courses, read lots of articles etc,
> but
> missed what you insist.
>
> Human and dry hair has a molecular crystal-like surface, and via the
> Fermi
> level you can move electrons from the orbit. However, if your hair is
> fat,
> there will be no charge movements, because the fat has no specific
> surface
> for that purpose. Likewise, I thought uncured glues were no aspirants
> either.
>
> Well, never too late to learn something new.
>
> Inge
>
> Relationship between *triboelectric* charging and surface *...*
>
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>
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>
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>
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> bleaching, and oxidative dyeing has only a small effect on
> *triboelectric*charging. Measurements of the
> *kinetics* of *charge* decay indicate that none of these *...*
> http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc1985/cc036n03/p00189-p00212.pdf -
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On 13 September 2011 20:06, Douglas Pauls
> <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
> > The coating is insulative in its liquid state as well.
> >
> > Doug Pauls
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mike Fenner" <[log in to unmask]>
> > 09/13/2011 12:48 PM
> > Please respond to
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >
> > To
> > "'TechNet E-Mail Forum'" <[log in to unmask]>,
> <[log in to unmask]>
> > cc
> >
> > Subject
> > RE: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You would have to check with supplier, or verify it yourself; but
> though
> > the
> > coating is insulating when cured it may well not be uncured in
liquid
> > form.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Pauls
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:53 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [TN] Pneumatic Syringes and ESD
> >
> > Good morning all,
> >
> > Time for a silly question. The question has been raised internally
as
> to
> > the risk of ESD generation when an acrylic conformal coating (an
> > insulative material) is applied using pneumatic syringes (also an
> > insulative material), through a nylon brush (a third synthetic
> material).
> >
> > 1. Do you know of any studies done benchmarking static generation
> levels?
> >
> > We have done some here, but want to do a sanity check.
> > 2. If you have such devices in your facilities, what are your
> mitigation
> > efforts? Air ionizers, grounded tubes?
> > 3. Does anyone use, and can recommend, ESD safe syringe bodies and
> caps?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > Doug Pauls
> > Rockwell Collins
> >
> >
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