Sigh....the Japanese still seem to be much more agile than this sleeping giant.
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From: Graham Naisbitt [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:21 AM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Stadem, Richard D.
Subject: Re: [TN] Lead Free solder has performed well...
Hello Techies everywhere,
You might be interested to know that our Japanese cousins are presently lobbying the EU and others, to permit the use of a small amount of lead in soldering alloys. They are doing this because of certain concerns over product reliability.
Regards
Graham Naisbitt - KBO
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On 11 Aug 2011, at 14:47, Stadem, Richard D. wrote:
> A post for the Technet Hall of Fame! Great job, Rex. One big whompin' ATTABOY. Set 'em straight.
>
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> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rex Waygood
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:08 AM
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> Subject: Re: [TN] Lead Free solder has performed well...
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> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ron Lasky
> Sent: 10 August 2011 16:03
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> Subject: Re: [TN] Lead Free solder has performed well...
>
> Folks,
>
> I thought I posted this:
>
> Rex: You did
>
> Since there has been much discussion about what it has been assumed that
> I said about lead-free solder, it would seem to be reasonable to share
> my actual thoughts on the status of lead-free. So here are some of
> them.
> Lead-free is here. It is not going away.
>
> Rex: Unfortunately true. That doesn't make the original decision
> correct.
>
> So let's understand how it affects us. I don't have a problem with
> discussing lead-free's short comings, but spending a great deal of time
> acting like it will be repealed if we complain enough is a waste of
> time.
>
> Rex: Agreed but you did post twice.
>
> Let's discuss reliability, process challenges, concerns over silver and
> tin costs and supply, electrical use, etc. But let the discussions be
> based on data and analysis, not emotions.
>
> I agree that lead-free solder was and is not now needed to protect the
> environment or the citizens of the European Union. It has never been
> demonstrated that lead containing solders are a threat in land-fills and
> it has been demonstrated that leaded solders can be safely recycled. In
> addition, establishing lead-free assembly cost upwards of $50B and
> continues to present challenges and require investment.
>
> Rex: I must of missed something here I thought that was the reason we
> were all forced to introduce this process. My recollection was that was
> exactly the justification used.
>
> Although lead-free was not needed to protect consumers or the
> environment in the EU, since a large proportion of re-cycling is
> performed "illegally" in 3rd world countries, it is likely safer for the
> untrained and unregulated re-cylers of the 3rd world to recycle
> lead-free solders than leaded solders.
>
> Rex: Unfortunately lead free doesn't tackle this problem for many years
> as the millions of tons of legacy WEEE will still be ending up where it
> can do its environmental and human damage. Also the illegal WEEE route
> doesn't just put lead into the environment and poison humans there are
> many other by-products of this process. Where is the evidence that tin
> is good for the environment? What could have been done with all that
> human effort if the illegal WEEE trade had been tackled? It still isn't
> being tackled and we are still poisoning people with things as well as
> lead. A UK recycling facility runs at half capacity because it is too
> easy to ship containers of WEEE as 2nd user goods (it isn't) to 3rd
> world countries and the chances of getting caught are too low.
>
> Reliability of lead-free assembled commercial type products has been
> demonstrated in the lab and in the field.
>
> Rex: So what. Was this legislation necessary? Tin lead had 50 years plus
> of reliability data.
>
> I am referring to 0 to 100C type thermal cycling and drop shock testing,
> with SAC alloys. The experimental data of Henshall and Coyle presented
> last year at SMTAI support this. Their work represents millions of
> dollars of testing by teams of major companies. Although RoHS is only 5
> years old, Motorola has about 10 years of field data. They claim equal
> or better reliability with lead-free. Add this to the trillions of
> dollars of products manufactured since RoHS was enacted, with no major
> reliability problems and it would be hard to argue that commercial
> product reliability has not been demonstrated.
>
> Rex: This is still retrospective justification for a poor decision. The
> point is we didn't need to do the change.
>
> But, I agree, harsh environment, mission critical, long-life reliability
> of lead-free solder has not been demonstrated.
>
> Rex: Any reduction of the life of products is likely to increase the
> flow of WEEE into the illegal processing trade and will not make the
> situation better. At one point the average life of a phone in the UK was
> about a year!
>
> It would be hard to over state the benefit of lead-free solder's poorer
> spreading enabling high performance mobile products.
>
> Rex: I don't believe it was necessary to burden the whole of the world's
> electronics manufacturing system to solve the problem of producing
> phones. If the CEMs making phones where unable to solve their process
> problems without invoking lead free then they were free to do so. This
> isn't actually something I believe anyway. Although our experience is
> small in comparison to phone manufacturers we have made thousands of
> boards using telephone technology parts using lead processes for the US
> telecoms market. It wasn't easy but the process problems were solved. We
> didn't say to the US customer you have to take lead free.
>
> There are now 5.6 billion mobile phone subscriptions in a world of 7
> billion people. No electronic product has made such a market
> penetration. Lead-free solder has aided this feat in enabling
> tremendous function in a small size.
>
> Rex: Please provide proof that there were no other solutions to a
> processing problem and that to achieve this we had to force the whole
> world to change the manufacturing process.
>
> Ron
>
> Rex: Your post to me is like that provided by a politician who makes a
> very bad decision and then tries to justify it retrospectively with a
> complete red herring.
>
>
> Regards
> Rex
>
>
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