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Yes, Stencil life is the real killer parameter for me. Paste needs to be
"Good In the Tube" but on the stencil is where the "Rubber Meets the Road".

I never realized the OA and No Clean life difference, I was only thinking
out loud when I said that.

 I have used no clean type 3 over a year old with zero problems, but even I
would start to question 2 year old paste. I need to look at my waste bucket,
I bet there are some 5 year old materials there. I wonder what happens.

Thanks for the info.

Bob K. 

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Karen Tellefsen
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 4:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Solderpaste Storage and Use

 All the big solder paste suppliers do extensive testing to determine paste
storage life at RT and during refrigeration as well as stencil life.
Stored paste will periodically be tested for viscosity, tack, slump,
printing, reflow etc.   That's where shelf lives come from.  The storage
time required for the paste to significantly functionally deteriorate is
usually divided by 2 to obtain shelf life.  Similar life testing is done for
many products including cleaning products, health and beauty aids, paint,
glue, etc.

You're correct about particle size and flux type.  That's why no-clean paste
storage life is typically 6 months with refrigeration and water clean paste
is typically 3 months.

Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing
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Hi,

 I do wonder where all these shelf live ideas comes from. Seems to me that
particle  size and flux type will make a BIG difference, like a power of 10
or so.

A no clean type 3 paste with low levels of activity would seem (at least to
me) to last MUCH longer than say type 5 in an active OA flux.

 Has anyone ever done reflow studies for different types of old paste? I
don't think a paste manufacturer would do such a test, I expect to get
blasted for even suggesting the idea.

But, Look at this link:

   http://www.endtimesreport.com/Prescription_longevity.html


Bob K.


 Hmmm, I have a bucket of ancient paste tubes. I should give them a try.


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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Roger Mack
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Solderpaste Storage and Use

Most pastes have a refrigeration spec. which gives it  a shelf life of 6
months. If you are using 600g tubes most datasheets will require 8 hours to
acclimatise. Once out of the fridge we don't return it either, but always
sign initials, date and time on each tube. Create an out of fridge "on deck"
storage for 3 or 4 tubes, or a daily amount for a line. We use a fixture
that fills from the top and you pull tubes from the bottom like a canned
drink dispenser. If you take one, add a new one to the top from the fridge.
You will never run into trouble with your acclimitizing time, or pull too
much. Your paste likely has a shelf life for room temperature, so set a
spec. that discards all open tubes when pulled, for say, two weeks or a
month.  If you are using jars and storing working paste, sign and date it as
well and control the out of fridge time for that as well.



Roger Mack  P.Eng.
Manufacturing Specialist
Parker Hannifin Canada
Electronic Controls Division
1305 Clarence Avenue
Winnipeg, MB  R3T 1T4 Canada
direct 204 453 3339 x373
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From:
Amol Kane <[log in to unmask]>
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06-20-2011 13:27
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[TN] Solderpaste Storage and Use
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I am re-writing our solderpaste use and storage procedures for water soluble
and no clean fluxes (SnPb and Lead-free) to say, in essence the
following:

"To be stored per the manufacturer's recommendations (usually upto 10C),
must be at room temperature before it is dispensed on the stencil (at least
an hour thawing is required). Maximum use period to be 8 hours.
Re-refrigeration and use beyond 8 hours not permitted"

The pushback is to the prohibition of re-refrigeration (for use the next
day) after it is thawed and use beyond 8 hours requirement. These
requirements are due to concerns with moisture absorption by the solderpaste
once thawed (affecting slump) and flux activity (due to
ageing)

What criteria are all the learned folks on technet using for solderpaste
management? Is there any literature available that looks at solderpaste use
limits on time and temperature?

A logical solution would be to do a DOE to look at these parameters, but I
am being asked to come up with something ASAP:).   love how these things
work!




Thanks in advance


Amol


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