Whished the Fukoshima nuc guys knew themselves. A few steps to the sea
water, and had no redundant system to get water !  The first I would done if
I had to build a nuclear plant would be to build what you see everywhere i
th US . a water tower. If designed as gigantic steel 'ball' , resting on the
ground, no steel legs, it would just roll a little, but not collaps. I feel
for the brave people struggling with helicopters and all kind of temporary
water pumping.

Inge

On 18 March 2011 20:57, Leland Woodall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Inge,
>
> I'm surprised you had whiteboards.  I thought we'd bought all of 'em.
>
> It is an adventure working in a Japanese environment!
>
> Leland
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge Hernefjord
> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:44 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
> PCN/ECN/ECO
>
> My experience from Ericsson is not as expert on any of the ECOs you
> mention.
> What may be of interest for you was the difficulty to implement a
> improvement system that generated an overall enthusiasm. Either to
> complicated or wicked or too academic a product or other obstacles. We
> tried many products, and finally found one that could be emphasized from
> the president and all the way 'down' to the small people, as a known
> director used to say, no name. I think of LEAN. The fundamentals are
> easily understood and the philosophy can be practised for any mass
> production.We sent representives for each company disciplin and level to
> a LEAN education unit and when they came back, they taught at their resp
> level. As this system has no predestined formulas to copy, we had to
> make all improvement roadmaps ourselves. That's the idea. To get people
> think themselves, in opposition to commands from above.It was amazing
> what an engagement was developed quite instantly. The heart of the
> system is not a lot of paperwork locked in in dusty maps, but
> whiteboards everywhere. On these any bypasser can readout the status of
> the specific dept , the goals ,track products etc.
> All goals must be measureable, and contracted. Sounds japanese? It is.
>
> Just my to minutes,
>
> Inge
>
>
>
>
> On 18 March 2011 17:40, Robert Wolfe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Phil & Nigel,
> > Yes if money is no object I would have to say Agile is probably the
> > best document control product on the market. But if you need a lot of
> > seats Agile can start to become a very expensive option.
> > Oracle needed to buy Agile because their own ECO process is really
> > really bad.
> > The only way Oracle can do proper Eng Documentation & ECO process is
> > with very very heavy customization, you'll need a team of Oracle
> > experts and to maintain that when patches come out to make sure your
> > customizations still work!!
> > I've been at two companies that switched from home grown systems, one
> > picked SAP the other picked Oracle. I can honestly say after 10 years
> > Oracle has virtually no improvement in their product other than saying
>
> > they bought Agile.
> > Agile is not perfect either. But I will say being part of both
> > transitions SAP we could use with none or very little customization to
>
> > do documentation pretty well Oracle there was no way possible you
> > either had to customize the hell out of it or buy Agile Also, and that
>
> > is a pretty big price tag.
> >
> > Side note the Mechanical CAD companies Pro-E & Solidworks offer
> > Enterprise PDM / Documentation tools also I have not looked into their
>
> > capabilities as of yet though.
> > But these would not of course have all the Human Resource, Accounting,
>
> > Running the business Modules like a SAP or Oracle.
> > So it depends if one is looking for something to run the whole company
>
> > or just provide a Documentation Control Process.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nigel Burtt
> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:22 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
> > PCN/ECN/ECO
> >
> >  Agile was taken over by Oracle - still exists and though undoubtedly
> > expensive worked pretty well for my previous employer, Dolby Labs
> >
> > http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/agile/index.html
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