My experience from Ericsson is not as expert on any of the ECOs you mention.
What may be of interest for you was the difficulty to implement a
improvement system that generated an overall enthusiasm. Either to
complicated or wicked or too academic a product or other obstacles. We tried
many products, and finally found one that could be emphasized from the
president and all the way 'down' to the small people, as a known director
used to say, no name. I think of LEAN. The fundamentals are easily
understood and the philosophy can be practised for any mass production.We
sent representives for each company disciplin and level to a LEAN education
unit and when they came back, they taught at their resp level. As this
system has no predestined formulas to copy, we had to make all improvement
roadmaps ourselves. That's the idea. To get people think themselves, in
opposition to commands from above.It was amazing what an engagement was
developed quite instantly. The heart of the system is not a lot of paperwork
locked in in dusty maps, but whiteboards everywhere. On these any bypasser
can readout the status of the specific dept , the goals ,track products etc.
All goals must be measureable, and contracted. Sounds japanese? It is.

Just my to minutes,

Inge




On 18 March 2011 17:40, Robert Wolfe <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Phil & Nigel,
> Yes if money is no object I would have to say Agile is probably the best
> document control product on the market. But if you need a lot of seats
> Agile
> can start to become a very expensive option.
> Oracle needed to buy Agile because their own ECO process is really really
> bad.
> The only way Oracle can do proper Eng Documentation & ECO process is
> with very very heavy customization, you'll need a team of Oracle experts
> and to maintain that when patches come out to make sure your customizations
> still work!!
> I've been at two companies that switched from home grown systems, one
> picked SAP
> the other picked Oracle. I can honestly say after 10 years Oracle has
> virtually no
> improvement in their product other than saying they bought Agile.
> Agile is not perfect either. But I will say being part of both transitions
> SAP we could use with none or very little customization to do documentation
> pretty well
> Oracle there was no way possible you either had to customize the hell out
> of it or buy Agile
> Also, and that is a pretty big price tag.
>
> Side note the Mechanical CAD companies Pro-E & Solidworks offer Enterprise
> PDM / Documentation tools also
> I have not looked into their capabilities as of yet though.
> But these would not of course have all the Human Resource, Accounting,
> Running the business Modules like a SAP or Oracle.
> So it depends if one is looking for something to run the whole company or
> just provide a Documentation Control Process.
>
> Bob
>
>
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>  Agile was taken over by Oracle - still exists and though undoubtedly
> expensive
> worked pretty well for my previous employer, Dolby Labs
>
> http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/agile/index.html
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