Over the years, we've seen and used too many systems. The thing I liked
about Agile was that it wasn't company specific and that it was very
uploadable friendly. I use Baan5 now and wish I had Agile back.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Wolfe
Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
Bob,
I have been in a couple places that have used Parts & Vendors,
and yes lotta bang for buck. Like any system what you put into it you
get out.
There is always a bit of work up front, but if done well up front the
better the outcome.
Bob
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kondner
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:10 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
Leland,
I forgot to mention you might take a look at Parts & Vendors, it is
really
a part list manager but it does have ECO functions.
Don't let the price fool you, it is a very powerful small system.
Better
than some selling for $5K or so.
http://www.trilogydesign.com/
Bob K.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Leland Woodall
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
Bob,
I found your presentation very interesting. It sounds like we've
embarked
upon a very dark path, and that the manual method might be here to stay.
We simply don't have the time to babysit another project that's going to
take forever.
Thanks, everyone, for all your great information!
Leland
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Robert Kondner
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
Hi,
I did a job at a company that installed Agile back around 1999.
My boss told me it cost the $100K, they spend $$$ sending folks to
courses,
they had consultants to backup and maintain the system, they spent $10Ks
to
hook up to their other data systems, and it made the design process
longer.
We could not insert a single text field into the company data system
because it would make too many changes to their system. The PCB design
group
was taking 4 weeks to pull a net list from a schematic. I guess the PCB
design group liked having their own little empire.
When the .COM bust happened I think Agile went in the same direction.
And the little PCB Design Empire went the same direction as the USSR.
Bob K.
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thayer, Wayne - IIW
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 12:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
What about AGILE? I looked at them a while ago but upper management
couldn't stand the idea of our data being resident off site. Other than
that, I've heard good things about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dave Schaefer
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Electronic System Management of the Dreaded
PCN/ECN/ECO
I am currently working on implementation of a Product Lifecycle
Management
(PLM) system, the comments about the required effort and time are
somewhat
accurate.
The single biggest hurdle to implementation of these types of systems is
that they usually end up being bolt-on additions to other systems that
lack
required PLM functionality. It's commonplace for companies to jump into
ERP
solutions without consideration for PLM. Add to the equation several
other
afterthought-type systems established to handle issues not in the scope
of a
standard ERP system.
Task: a system that ties all of the others together.
There's no "out of the box" solution that exists. The PLM systems I've
been
involved with are all add-ons which provide functionality missing from
the
corporate ERP system. The best system was Agile PLM on an existing SAP
ERP
which was highly customized and took a dedicated implementation team
about
24 months to complete.
A few other PLM offerings:
ARAS (opensource)
Omnify
PDXpert
PDMLynx
Some have supported implementation paths with specific ERP systems, but
all
will require customization for your specific needs.
Hth,
Dave
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