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Awesome!  All of you who have responded I do deeply appreciate. I have
seen components with this lead finish for few years and it has been
difficult to visually look at the leads prior to soldering to see if you
can tell if good or bad.  I seen on new incoming and the lead surface
looks consistence in appearance. Hard to describe here. Looks similar to
my Samsung monitor's case here at work. I have seen others that are
older that have a tarnish or golden color to them.  More so after
soldering and did not wet. 

Jon    

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 7:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] SOLDERABLIITY ON NICKEL PLATIUM GOLD LEAD FINISH SMT
PARTS

Hi Inge - the history of the Ni/Pd/Au plating stackup is kinda 
interesting. There has been lots of industry Pd plating soldering and 
wirebonding investigations during the last 50 years. The work that has 
always caught my attention was the published data in the late 1980s and 
early 1990s. Texas Instruments investigated the use of Ni/Pd plating as
a 
substitute material for component leadframe spot silver process which
was 
part of the component wirebonding protocol. I was told that using Ni/Pd 
provided both some technical and process advantages. Texas Instruments 
patented the Ni/Pd plating concept (in terms of component applications) 
and then implemented the concept on their component processes.  The
whole 
concept was almost wiped out as the price of Pd skyrocketed (4X-5X price

increases per troy ounce)  for a couple of years as a couple of
countries 
(Russia and South Africa were the rumored conspirators) locked up their
Pd 
stockpiles and messed up the global market. The insanity passed and
things 
went back to normal. Texas Instruments amended its patent to include a 
flash gold to seal off the Pd from the environment degradation (Pd is a 
good catalyst material so it tended to react with some storage 
environments resulting in a loss of solderability).  The Pd layer is not

very thick as you can get Pd embrittlement in a similar fashion to Au 
embrittlement. As Richard detailed, we are really soldering to the Ni 
plating with the Pd and Au being oxidation protectors of the Ni surface.

In the early 2000s, the RoHS actions began and since Ni/Pd/Au doesn't 
create tin whiskers, life suddenly became very good for the surface 
finish. Additionally, the industry interest in ENEPIG is another
extension 
of the industry assessing Pd, in combination with Ni and Au, for both 
soldering and wirebonding characteristics.  It appears that the industry

fascination with Pd is going to be a topic of interest for quite some 
time.

Dave



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Dave,

What's the idea with mixing Nickel and Palladium on component leads? In 
general, Pd is used as a substitute for Rhodium in order to increase the

wear resistance for e.g. sliding contacts.  I have also seen that mixing

Ni 
an Pd causes an increase of  the internal stress, rather much, depending

on 
the wt%. What pays for the extra process in this case?
/Inge



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Sent: den 25 August 2010 00:21
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Subject: Re: [TN] SOLDERABLIITY ON NICKEL PLATIUM GOLD LEAD FINISH SMT 
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> Hi! Yes, I made the assumption that Jon really meant Pd and not Pt as
I
> haven't  run into a NiPtAu surface finish on components yet.
>
> Dave
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> "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>
> 08/24/2010 04:54 PM
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> Well, jeez, Dave. You beat me to it again. Except I was busy trying to
> find my references to soldering with platinum, not palladium.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David D. Hillman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 4:13 PM
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> Subject: Re: [TN] SOLDERABLIITY ON NICKEL PLATIUM GOLD LEAD FINISH SMT
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> Hi Jon! There are a couple things to remember when dealing with NiPdAu
> surface finishes: 1) Pd diffuses very slowly into a tin/lead solder 
alloy.
>
> You may need to add a few seconds to your soldering process cycle
time; 
2)
>
> Adding an additional 5-10C of temperature will assist in the Pd 
diffusion
> into the tin/lead solder alloy. You may need to increase your
soldering
> temperature depending on which soldering process  you are using; 3)
Some
> flux material are not compatible with Pd materials. You may want to
try 
a
> different flux to see if you get an improved reaction; 4) Run a
> solderability test per IPC JSTD 002 to make sure you have an
acceptable
> NiPdAu surface finish. When Texas Instruments first introduced the 
NiPdAu
> surface finish, we had to make slight time/temperature/flux
adjustments 
on
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> our typical soldering processes to obtain our expected soldering 
results.
> Good Luck.
>
> Dave Hillman
> Rockwell Collins
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> Have any of you experience difficulty in producing an acceptable
solder
> joint with Nickel platinum gold SMT lead finishes?  We can rework at
> least twice to achieve an acceptable condition.  Lead free part but we
> use a solder with lead.  Any help is appreciated.  Jon
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