IMHO, Pauls view to him was a piece of Cake; whereas my assumption it
was a slice of PI.
Dewey
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner Engelmaier
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:47 AM
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Hi Paul,
Years ago [Once upon a time....!?!] there was an IBM paper [from a MN
location, I think-don't ask me for a reference], that showed that you
had to have a 90% physical separation crack to result in a 10%
resistance increase. This has been confirmed less rigorously many
times-that is why you had so many people wondering about your statement.
Werner
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From: Paul Reid <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:28 am
Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] opinion poll
Hi Werner,
A number of defects like that still caused a 10% change in resistance.
Crack or separation not withstanding, objective measurement of
resistance change trumps the more subjective microsection evaluation.
Maybe we are on the wrong angle to see the full extent of the damage.
I do know that small corner cracks have produced large changes in
resistance. Failing corner cracks may or may not extend across the full
thickness of the copper.
Sincerely,
Paul Reid
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From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner
Engelmaier
Sent: August 17, 2010 8:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] opinion poll
Denise/Paul,
I am with Denise on this one-twice.
First, this separation would never cause a 10% resistance increase even
if it goes around all 360 degrees.
Second, this is not a crack, but a separation.
Werner
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From: Denise Chevalier <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] opinion poll
Again I am not sure I would call this a crack. The initial deposit is
not connected to the foil (rounded) but does not appear to have
"cracked". I am also surprised you lost 10% resistance due to this
defect. It appears you have plenty of connection from the surface into
the hole wall. Are you sure this was the cause for the loss of
resistance?
Denise
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Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:04 PM
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Here is a corner crack that produced a 10% increase in resistance.
I don't know if the attachment will make it to the forum.
I am CC Chris with this incase it does not get posted.
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Sent: August 17, 2010 1:30 PM
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Careful, you'll give Chris a big head...
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Elaine
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:25
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Indeed I am confident enough in Chris's knowledge of 6012 that we would
not be having the
discussion if it were not visible before microetch, then the
microetching must be done to
assess whether the separation extends beyond the plane of the foil,
which it does.
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James
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:12 PM
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I agree with Matt, you need to determine if there is indeed separation
first and inspection without etching is a good way to do it.
Jim
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Matthew J (US SSA)
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [IPC-600-6012] opinion poll
The possibility of a separation at the knee between plating layers needs
to be evaluated without microetching the cross section mount. If no
separation is found then no defect should be called out. Microetching
helps in failure analysis.
Matt Byrne
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Elaine
Sent: August 17, 2010 6:27 AM
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It is non-conforming for both the crack and the plating separation.
The second picture is not so clear cut. If indeed the area at the knee
is separation it is rejectable.
If it is differential microetching, it is not. Hard to tell from the
photo.
I do not think we have any criteria for burning.
Elaine
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From: IPC-600-6012 [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Chris
Mahanna
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:19 PM
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Subject: EXTERNAL: [IPC-600-6012] opinion poll
Hi Everyone,
Attached is a picture of a thru-hole corner after thermal stress. The
plating is pulse. I believe the corner was 'burnt' because of the
geometry of the (conformant) negative etchback. All the corners show
burn; some show blisters; only this one cracked.
In your opinion, what are the non-conformance(s) if any?
Thanks
Chris
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