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 Hi Wayne,
...but there are. all you have to do is look at IPC-D-279 for guidelines. There cannot be requirements, because everybody's details/needs are different.
Werner

 


 

 

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From: Thayer, Wayne - IIW <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, Jul 21, 2010 9:18 am
Subject: Re: [TN] solder joint height


Hi Werner-



You may recall I brought this issue up a few months ago too.  The basic question 

I have is



If solder joint height is important for longevity/reliability, why aren't there 

IPC guidelines/requirements for them?  As noted previously, tungsten rods are 

available in almost any diameter and they can be used as a simple "quick check" 

tool for this application.



Wayne



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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner Engelmaier

Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:01 PM

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Subject: Re: [TN] solder joint height



 )Dale,

The answer is a qualified YES.

What are the sizes of these ceramic chip components and the Alloy-42-dominated 

SOT? When do you see those cracks [thermal history]? What are the QUAL 

requirements?

What is the real use environment?

I take it this is SnPb solder.

Regardless of these answers, a greater SJ height enhances reliability-you may 

want to take a look at the attached reliability article (Engelmaier,W., 

"Achieving Solder Joint Reliability in a Lead-Free World, Part 1," GlobalSMT & 

Packaging, Vol. 7, No. 6, June 2007, pp. 40-42).  .





 Werner













-----Original Message-----

From: Hart, Dale L CTR USAF AFMC AFRL/RXSA <[log in to unmask]>

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Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Subject: Re: [TN] solder joint height





Air Force often uses CCA's as circuit card assemblies, sorry for the confusion.



The type of components are surface mount resistors, capacitor and I believe a



SOT with gull wing leads.







My problem is do I suggest their solder joint height isn't sufficient enough to



ensure a reliable assembly on an aircraft.











dlh







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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:19 AM



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Subject: Re: [TN] solder joint height











 Hi Dale,



Do you mean CGA's [column grid arrays]? If not, what do you mean by cca?







 610, Class 3 or otherwise, only addresses quality, not reliability-for that you



need to go to IPC-D-279.







While the absence of solder fillets can reduce fatigue life, the presence of



fillets, 'robust' or otherwise, does not have any positive first-order impact.



However, solder joint height does.











 You may be looking at IMC crystals.



Werner















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From: Hart, Dale L CTR USAF AFMC AFRL/RXSA <[log in to unmask]>



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Sent: Tue, Jul 20, 2010 9:23 am



Subject: [TN] solder joint height



























We have been doing a some analysis of cca's for the Air Force consisting of







SMT.  The visual inspection of the solder joints looks very good all







characteristics above the suggest minimum for class 3 of 610.  The solder







fillets in some instances could be characterized as being robust.  In







cross-sectional analysis however, the solder joint height of the components







electrical termination above the land has been perhaps 0.025 mm to the point







of needing a SEM to look at the land-solder-component lead interface.







Closer examination in these areas revealed small cracks in the grain







boundaries.  I used the term grain boundaries because the solder in these







areas do not resemble the colonies observed in the bulk solder of the







fillet.  In some of these instances the land is often deformed in the shape







of the component lead.































Would these joints although stronger be more susceptible to fatigue or







overload failure?















What are the implications if these cca's are encapsulated?















What suggestions could be offered to the manufacturer?















































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