Inge,
Just to be clear, I was giving you a roadmap of what your board house
should be able to do going forward. I was not necessarily talking about
tomorrow. Sorry if I turned your hair white.
Bev
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Inge
Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] Quality & Capability
Werner,
Selbstverstandlich (german ae). That's why we have spent lots of money
on
concurrent engineering, LEAN, 6S and lots of other technical religions.
Q
is: how do we convince customers to select and pay for these two? German
understand and appreciate such arguments, but they are not our only
customers. Let's take a dream example. The scientists needed thousands
of
very advanced detectors to get one or two 'pings' when a neutrino hit
the
detector. All but cost was discussed. Imagine to get such an order! I
have
been involved in some SPACE affairs. Could never stop marvel about what
they are willing to pay. A 90 degree SMA launcher is 10 times std ones.
But in the whole SPACE is a small market. I think Cornflakes is 100
times
bigger. I disassembled my two Creative Ipods to see what was in. They
seem to be in the Q&C world today. Art of the state, but to reasonable
price. But take a typical nose radar. If you really want adapt best
Q&C
and disqualify all craps, the total will frighten the customers. (Those
who
work with MIL know that the quality demands are not on the same high
level
as they were 20 years ago). Not an easy equation to solve. If I go to
our
Q and tell him to 'cast put these potentiometers, because they are shit'
,
then he sends me to the purchaser and he will tell the project manager
and
he will tell the economist who will say nay. They TALK about best
Quality,
but it does not mean: it's an order. I know. I'm stuck in the past.
Incurable. Methusalem.
Thanks anyway for debating, Werner. I use to find a golden grain here
and
silver seed there speaking with you all. Bev's 0105s, 0.3 mm pitch
etc
were such findings.
Inge
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From: "Werner Engelmaier" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: den 9 May 2010 20:09
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [TN] Earl Moon...
> Inge,
> You cannot compete on volume, so it has to be quality and capability.
> Werner
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 2:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [TN] Earl Moon...
>
>
> Bev,
> I did not swing a tomahawk! Just expressed my sadness over this old
man.
> What you say is probably right, because you have better insight. Can't
> help I felt upset when I happened to get a hit on SMT searching for
very
> fine pitch boards, which I'm very interested in. I didn't look back
to
> see what the SMTA conversation was about, maybe Earl had gone little
too
> far. Moreover, Earl had nothing but good things to say about you, nor
have
> I. That's why I said 'we' . Still, I felt so sorry when I heard about
> Earl's loneliness and broken economy.....OK, maybe his choice, as you
> say. Now, let's return to technical topics....e.g. Ibiden, which I
just
> read about. As far as I could see, they do not have any superior
> technology or secrets that make them 'world's largest PWB
manufacturer, as
> they say themselves. They are just very big. And they go on being
bigger,
> building a new superplant for some 1,000 workers. We are small in
> comparison, and we have a down just now as many others, that' s why I
do
> some surveying. My boss asked me if I had any good ideas for our PWB
> section.
>
> Inge
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bev Christian" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: den 9 May 2010 19:26
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [TN] Earl Moon...
>
>> No, Inge. I fundamentally disagree with what you have just said. No
one
>> > chased him out - not us, not Jack Crawford, not the IPC. Earl made
a >
>> CHOICE. Fortunately we have the freedom in the respective countries
of >
>> most TechNetters to do that, but with choice comes CONSEQUENCES. If >
>> someone wants to be a cowboy (and there is no denying that Earl
wasn't -
>> > but he was a very good one though :) ) things logically fall from
that.
>> > Earl knew that and I think you do too. So please don't lay
something at
>> my > doorstep I don't own.
>>
>> Your friend (even if we continue to disagree on this)
>> Bev
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sun May 09 12:27:28 2010
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Earl Moon...
>>
>> Steven.
>>
>> I feel a little sad still. We chased Earl out from this forum.
Obviously,
>> > he
>> tried to find a new "home" with this result :
>>
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>> Date: July 13, 2006 08:12 PM
>> Author: pr
>> Subject: Earl Moon
>> Earl if you dont have anyting of value to add to the forum please say
>> your
>> final farewell and never returrn
>>
>> (http://www.smtnet.com/Forums/index.cfm?CFApp=1&Message_ID=42721)
>>
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>>
>> I hope we will never ever treat someone in this forum like that, with
>> exception for evilness and sabotage or other destructive behaviour.
>>
>> Inge
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Steven Creswick" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: den 9 May 2010 16:09
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Earl Moon...
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> None of us wears the crown of perfection!
>>>
>>> I believe that Earl, having been an active and valuable participant
in
>>> >> the
>>> IPC forums for a number of years, deserves to have his picture
>>> memorialized
>>> on Steve's page.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that it IS Steve's page [not the IPC's], and he can
do as
>>> he
>>> pleases ....
>>>
>>>
>>> We just have to come up with a picture...
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Creswick
>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevencreswick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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