Ioan,
I had a look at Ibiden, world's largest PWB manufacturer. You are right.
Evidently, they sell a lot, Mega-much, talking volumes, but the return is
not overwhelming.
If you compare with e.g. the american laser equipment makers, the volumes
are modest, but the return is extremly good. So, again, you are quite right,
to earn a lot of money does not necessarily mean mass production. I should
understood that myself, but I could not find that part of my brain that is
about economics, it's minimal in my case. Thanks.
/Inge
http://www.ibiden.com/news/2010/pdf/100427.pdf
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From: "Inge" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: den 6 May 2010 16:15
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC. More important than Lead free ?
> Hmmm...so you mean intelligence vs. energy? Rockefeller vs Ping Pong?
> The assumption is that there is a continuing access to best scientists and
> inventors in America. Let's hope on that. But lots of ordinary people
> need jobs long today. It's this short perspective I point at. I was
> without job once. Will never forget that hell!
>
> Inge
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> From: "Ioan Tempea" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: den 6 May 2010 14:04
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC. More important than Lead free ?
>
>> I actually see it slightly different.
>>
>> Yes, at the first sight it seems cheaper to manufacture in far East, but
>> I have seen many reports that add real costs and in the end the profit
>> margin is not so spectacularly great. For me, it is not the enterprises
>> deciding to manufacture there, but the big financial interests. The huge
>> American and European fortunes want a big slice of what is happening in
>> the far East, just to keep the people there from getting as rich, or
>> richer, than them and start controlling the international cash flow. And
>> this is why they came up with this "cheap labor" story, in order to have
>> us invest, so that they use more money power in order to try and control
>> the situation.
>>
>> Slippery ground, ain't it? Probably I should stick to technical data.
>>
>> Ioan Tempea, ing.
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>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Werner Engelmaier [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Envoyé : May-05-10 4:35 PM
>> À : [log in to unmask]
>> Objet : Re: [TN] NTC. More important than Lead free ?
>>
>> Hi Inge,
>> Things always go in cycles.
>> In the 50's "MADE IN JAPAN"=garbage;
>> in the 60/70's "MADE IN JAPAN"=quality and innovation, but cheaper with
>> cheap labor;
>> In the 90's-today "MADE IN JAPAN"=so-so with problems, not cheaper
>> because labor no longer cheaper.
>> I fully expect that cycle to repeat with China/Far East, and somewhat
>> later with India.
>> In the 70's-00's "MADE IN CHINA"=garbage, but very cheap with cheap
>> labor;
>> in the 10's "MADE IN CHINA "=some quality and some innovation, still
>> cheaper with cheap labor (but it is getting more expensive);
>> Not likely with South America and Africa, but who knows.
>> Werner
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 4:20 pm
>> Subject: [TN] NTC. More important than Lead free ?
>>
>>
>> I happened to see an article about worker payment in the Far East. A
>> typical chinese industry operator has 3.15 $ per hour. No wonder many
>> industrialists place their orders there or invest in chinese business.
>> How will/can we defend our positions? With cheaper operators? Impossible.
>> Faster assembly, more cost effective machines? If we succeed (after a lot
>> of investments) to do that, it will take just one year and the easterners
>> will have copies (cheaper). If we press our best genii to invent a stream
>> of new HiTech things to be produced for making money? How willing are
>> the investors to rocket these projects? While the bureaucrats send papers
>> to each other, the enormous mass of doctors and engineers that flood from
>> chinese schools will catch up. Subventions from the governments? Not a
>> popular way among most tax payers. etc etc. We had a discussion over a
>> cup of tea (yes, very british) and my daughter's husband, who use to be a
>> sharp guy, had only one solution: same kind of economy as have China.
>>
>> Well, global economy is nothing for me, but it struck me, why not ask the
>> fellows on TN. So, that is what I'm asking on a amateur basis: what will
>> americans do to keep electronic industry jobs ? I've googled and found
>> lots, lots of articles, but most about details. I look for something that
>> can be summerised in a few words.
>>
>> Actually, why bother? Americans will always be on
>> top......hmmmm......z.zzzzzzzz
>>
>> Inge
>>
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