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the answer to your question is open-ended. If you are an important 
customer then, yes, they will fix it. If you are a one horse affair, 
then neither supplier will make any effort. It is a matter of dollars, 
rather than the ability of fixing problems.

Brian

Robert Kondner wrote:
> Yes But,
> 
>  If you buy everything from one manufacturer and there is a problem do you
> really expect them to say:
> 
>   "Yes, It is my problems, I will fix it." ?
> 
>  If you think that would you like to buy a big bridge in New York City?  :-)
> 
>   If you can get what you need at a reasonable price from a single supplier
> go for it. But various real world issues seldom make that possible.
> 
> Bob Kondner
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Flux-Cored Wire Solder: Halide / Halide-Free
> 
> Not only that, but it is inevitable that manufacturer X will blame the 
> product of manufacturer Y, should you ever run into any trouble.
> 
> Brian
> 
> Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>> Do solder manufacturers actually develop products to be used together by
>> matching chemistries?
>>
>> Sometimes.
>>
>> Should one attempt to utilize paste, wire, and liquid flux all from a
>> single supplier, or is there no value there, in that an ORH0 is an ORH0 is
>> an ORH0?
>>
>> The advantage using one vendors chemistries is that the vendor may have
>> tested the materials together and can provide compatability/reliability
>> data.   If you use chemistries from different vendors, you'll have to do
>> any compatability testing yourself.
>>
>> Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing
>> [log in to unmask]
>> 908-791-3069
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
>>              "Glidden, Kevin"
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>>              <Kevin.Glidden@as
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>>              tronics.com>                                               To
> 
>>                                        TechNet E-Mail Forum
> 
>>              04/20/2010 06:56          <[log in to unmask]>, Karen Tellefsen
> 
>>              AM                        <[log in to unmask]>
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>>                                                                         cc
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>>                                                                    Subject
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>>                                        RE: [TN] Flux-Cored Wire Solder:
> 
>>                                        Halide / Halide-Free
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Karen and Guy,
>>
>> Thanks for the responses.  I like the looks of the Aqualine...
>>
>> But, more questions comes to mind.....
>>
>> Do solder manufacturers actually develop products to be used together by
>> matching chemistries?
>>
>> Should one attempt to utilize paste, wire, and liquid flux all from a
>> single supplier, or is there no value there, in that an ORH0 is an ORH0 is
>> an ORH0?
>>
>> For example, in some wire solder data sheets you will see statements that
>> it uses the same flux chemistry as either a paste or a liquid flux from
> the
>> same manufacturer.  But on the other hand, I have seen manufacturers state
>> that the compatible flux with a given paste in product X, but then the
>> datasheet for product X states it was developed with the same chemistry as
>> a completely different paste.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Kevin Glidden
>> Manufacturing Engineer
>> Astronics Luminescent Systems Inc.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Karen Tellefsen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:59 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Flux-Cored Wire Solder: Halide / Halide-Free
>>
>> Aqualine 6000 is halide-free, ORH0.  Must be washed, washable in hot DI
>> water.
>>
>> Karen Tellefsen - Electrical Testing
>> [log in to unmask]
>> 908-791-3069
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>              "Guy M. Ramsey"
>>              <gramsey@RDCIRCUI
>>              TS.COM>                                                    To
>>              Sent by: TechNet          [log in to unmask]
>>              <[log in to unmask]>                                          cc
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>>                                                                    Subject
>>              04/19/2010 02:42          Re: [TN] Flux-Cored Wire Solder:
>>              PM                        Halide / Halide-Free
>>
>>
>>              Please respond to
>>               TechNet E-Mail
>>                    Forum
>>              <[log in to unmask]>
>>              ; Please respond
>>                     to
>>               "Guy M. Ramsey"
>>              <gramsey@RDCIRCUI
>>                   TS.COM>
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>>
>> Amtech makes a wire core solder with Halide free watersoluble flux. You
>> should
>> clean it but it cleans fairly easily. If you are looking to change your
>> cleaning
>> process, I recommend you look at it. We clean it with a spot steam
> cleaner.
>>
>> If you are staying with alcohol you cannot use it.
>>
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