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Roger Stoops <[log in to unmask]>
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Yes.  All the documentation that you listed is necessary to plan, build, maintain and otherwise document any given product or service.  PLM/PDM software helps fill a gap by putting all such documents in "one place," so to speak, and under some form of revision or change control.  Saves time and effort in locating, storing, and retrieving information.  Could be expanded to include manufacturing documentation as well as other forms and documents needed to perform day to day operations.

OTOH, which one of those items you listed would you be willing to do without some form of records?  In litigious (sic?) society, seems every scrap of paper or record is necessary to protect company and employees.  Can't do without such tools with an international org either...

BTW, some packages also allow for excellent ECO/ECN controls by defining approvals in an orderly fashion, and documenting such reliably.  Was nice to just push a button to approve an ECO, than get the paper, sign, and carry it to next approver.  Learned to use Agile 4-5 years ago, and if a company doesn't mind making a few changes to internal methods, just a wonderful tool to use!  Unfortunately, I guess it needs Oracle DB nowadays...


-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Clark
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 11:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] ERP/MRP/PLM... What's in your wallet - er - What do you use?

Roger - are you saying "yes" that engineering documentation is "all of the above"???

----- Original Message -----
From: DesignerCouncil <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Mon Dec 21 23:29:48 2009
Subject: Re: [DC] ERP/MRP/PLM... What's in your wallet - er - What do you use?

Yes!

-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joseph
G. Clark
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:39 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] ERP/MRP/PLM... What's in your wallet - er - What do you
use?

While the start of this seems to be centered on ERP/PLM 
systems, "engineering documentation" is eventually brought to the 
forefront as a critical issue which Bob points out is not being addressed 
very well today ("Why on earth can't these companies make a product 
that out of the box that does Engineering Documentation well? I find it 
hard to believe there can't be a boiler plate level delivered that could 
handle 80-90% of most companies documentation needs out of the box."). 
Seems a very good point made here!

My question is - what exactly is meant by "engineering documentation". 
As so often is true in our business, we use terms very loosely and while 
we think we are all speaking of the same thing, it turns out in retrospect 
we are not. Documentation is found throughout an engineering 
organization in various ways and forms. Could Bob, or anyone for that 
matter, be specific on what is meant by "engineering documentation"? Is 
it hte Assembly drawing?, Fab drawing?, BOM? Rework Instructions? 
ECO/ECN updates, special instructions? other? All of the above?

Thanks so much!

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