Jeffrey,
Much cleaner way of putting it! My sentiments exactly!
That basically is what I was trying to say.
Yes all of the players I've seen in this area are all lacking in the Doc Control Process.
All of the big boys are truly lacking basic functionality most all companies use in the process
whether large or small.
The add on companies do fill a much needed void in this area.
Companies need to look at their process and evaluate which tool or group of tools can best handle
it for the best price.
I have seen too many times though when a company is changing or buying first time the Enterprize
software to run the company, Documentation/Engineering is left minimally involved in the evaluation
process. Really being left the bottom rung on the ladder of needs. In most cases the Documentation/Engineering group needed to really force themselves into that process if possible. Also after the sale when integration
starts Engineering/Documentation needs to be heavily involved in the integration process. Where that was done a much better outcome (although not perfect) was realized. You can't just hand them a flow, here is how we work
and expect the Integration Experts to hand you a usable tool.
I find they all seem to be very good Experts of the tool (Oracle & SAP etc) but none seem to have any idea what
Engineering Documentation requires even after integrating numerous companies, I'd be willing to bet
all do pretty much the same thing in the documentation area.
Bob
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Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [DC] ERP/MRP/PLM... What's in your wallet - er - What do you use?
Joe,
In response to your question, without going into every document that a company may need, I would summarize it as such:
An Engineering document is any maintained document or data package that is and required for the production of any manufactured assembly item, which may vary per process and manufacturer. This may include but is not limited to the following; drafting room manuals (DRMS), schematics (very important and very overlooked!!), fabrication drawing/packages, assembly drawings/packages, 3D Cad files (mechanical), BOMs, ECNs, Rework instructions, ATPs, work instructions, usage manuals or other pertinent information.
This is the way that I view any documentantion that really needs to be tracked and controlled for the any purpose in the build process. In my view from seeing SAP, Qracle, and more recently costpoint, all are lacking in the documentation process. Whether that calls upgraded versions of the software, or for a secondary addon tool is dependent on the processes and size of a particular company.
Best Regards,
-Jeffrey
Jeffrey A. Jenkins CID+/CIT
Sr. PCB/CAD Designer
L-3 Communications - Linkabit Division
Office: 858-552-9832
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From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joseph G. Clark
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 3:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [DC] ERP/MRP/PLM... What's in your wallet - er - What do you use?
While the start of this seems to be centered on ERP/PLM
systems, "engineering documentation" is eventually brought to the
forefront as a critical issue which Bob points out is not being addressed
very well today ("Why on earth can't these companies make a product
that out of the box that does Engineering Documentation well? I find it
hard to believe there can't be a boiler plate level delivered that could
handle 80-90% of most companies documentation needs out of the box.").
Seems a very good point made here!
My question is - what exactly is meant by "engineering documentation".
As so often is true in our business, we use terms very loosely and while
we think we are all speaking of the same thing, it turns out in retrospect
we are not. Documentation is found throughout an engineering
organization in various ways and forms. Could Bob, or anyone for that
matter, be specific on what is meant by "engineering documentation"? Is
it hte Assembly drawing?, Fab drawing?, BOM? Rework Instructions?
ECO/ECN updates, special instructions? other? All of the above?
Thanks so much!
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