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Most incredible deer vs. car story that I've ever heard of, was a while back 
that occured up your way in Minnesota when a deer jumped from an overpass 
and landed squarely in the windsheild of a Dodge Durango that was passing 
beneath the overpass. I did a search and found the photos (not for the faint 
of heart):

http://www.rodharrison.com/Bucks/DeervsDurango.htm

Unbelievably, the driver walked away with minor cuts. Can you imagine, 
driving down the highway minding your own business, when all of a sudden a 
deer flys out of the sky and crashes through your windsheild! Incredible!

Steve

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From: "David D. Hillman" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC - [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components


Ouch! Now that is a different way to hunt! Here in the US, hitting deer
with a car is a problem in a number of states, especially the state of
Wisconsin. Doug Pauls grew up in Wisconsin and has stated " there are two
kinds of drivers in Wisconsin, those who have hit a deer and those who are
going to hit a deer"! Hitting a moose would be a whole different matter!

Dave



"Inge" <[log in to unmask]>
11/07/2009 03:21 PM

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Hi Dave,
here we use leadfree to, caliber 2 tons. Our cars. Hit  a deer the other
day, and my neighbour one deer yesterday. And today two moose calves
passed
our parking place.  Mother moose was shot, becase she had just three legs.

Traffic incident. I've deers in my garden every night. Not happy with
them,
eat our flowers, and the moose massacres our fruit trees. Well,shouldn't
complain, many kilos of meat from both in the freezer.
/Inge

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Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:04 PM
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Hi Bev - yea, I know but its Saturday, the leadfree ballistics
investigation on North American waterfowl was excellent today and I
happened to log into TechNet since the football games were slow.

Dave



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11/07/2009 02:54 PM

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Dave,
I was playing devil's advocate. That is what we use too for non-thermal
ones. I am also an active member of the BTC committee.
Bev
RIM

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Sent: Sat Nov 07 15:33:44 2009
Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components

Hi Bev - the void criteria for a QFN/LGA ground/thermal pad that we use is

50% maximum voiding unless the component has specific thermal or grounding

requirements impacted by voiding phenomena. The topic is also being
discussed in the IPC BCT specification.

Dave Hillman
Rockwell Collins
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Inge,
You get to play with the weirdest stuff!  I was referring to "normal"
cases.

Something more down to earth though is voiding in LGA/QFN central thermal
pads. What do people allow for that?
Bev
RIM

----- Original Message -----
From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sat Nov 07 11:41:15 2009
Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components

There is an exception, namely when you have to do with high power chips.
We
mounted HexFets that disspated 200 Watts, and those with too much voids
simply burnt.

By the way, I got no answer from Kevin about how to planarize heat via
solder fills. Anyone?

/Inge
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Correct. Or the voids are open to the surface, as Joyce K pointed out to
me.
Bev

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Sent: Sat Nov 07 11:02:58 2009
Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components

Unless there is a significant "segregation" of rather small voids at one
of
the interfaces :-)

Vladimir
SENTEC
11 Canadian Road, Unit 7.
Scarborough, ON M1R 5G1
Tel: (416) 899-1882
Fax: (905) 882-8812
www.sentec.ca


-----Original Message-----
From: Bev Christian <[log in to unmask]>
Date:         Sat, 7 Nov 2009 10:59:31
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Subject: Re: [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components

Alejandro,
No there is not.

In the 10 years I was at Nortel we could never see any significant
difference between shear strength of solder joints with low voiding and
those that looked like Swiss cheese (up to 50% voiding). I am sure that
Werner will come back and rightly say that shear strength does not
necessarily equate to solder joint reliability. But I can say we never saw


chip cap problems that were traceable to the joint voids.
Bev

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Subject: [TN] Solder Voids in Chip Components

Hello,

Does anybody know if there is an IPC specification that describes the
amount
of solder voids allowed in a chip component solder joint?  The IPC-A-610
Rev
D is specific describing the % of voids allowed for BGA's solder joints
(<25%) only but not for any other type of components.

Saludos Cordiales / Best Regards
Alejandro A. Domínguez
Robert Bosch Corporation



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