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Privet Aleks,
Are you in Russia?  I do not think so— no '.ru' in your e-mail. Did you 
attend my workshop sponsored by Ostec in Moskow?

Do svidaniya,
Werner “ Mister Nadezhnost”


-----Original Message-----
From: Aleks Lozinsky <[log in to unmask]>
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2009 8:56 pm
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: Russia

Hi Werner,

Looks like not too many Russian folks on TechNet (other than me and 
very
rare). Last time I was in Russia in 1989. At that time I've had feeling 
that
I am leaving biggest jail in the world and was very happy. Today it is 
not
USSR any more and I wish all Russian people success and all the best 
and
hope relation with west will be better. Especially taking in 
consideration
that Russia along till now capable to wipe out humane population of the
earth.

Regards

Aleks Lozinsky


----- Original Message -----
From: "Werner Engelmaier /*" <[log in to unmask]>

To: <[log in to unmask]>

Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: Russia



> Hi Inge,

> you should see all my other travelogs.

> Werner

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>

> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]

> Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2009 4:50 pm

> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: Russia

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

> Hi Werner,

>

>

> did you try harder? I learned, that they read lots of english 
(because of

> the dominating english on Internet), but they don't dare speak when
> meeting

> real americans or english ditto. I got ill for one day, and had to 
see a

> doctor. The guide translated from english to russian. I said some  
words
> in

> english to the doctor, but she just looked at me and shook her head.
> Later,

> when I passed her room, she was speaking with another doctor..in 
english
> I

> knocked the door and said 'what? Can you speak english after all?'  - 
'Of

> course I can, but my pronounciation is so bad. But I can read all 
american

> scientific literature, no problems.'  I think it was something like 
with

> your engineeers.

>

>

> Thanks for the travel report, I will enjoy it tomorrow. Travel 
report! You

> are very ambigous!

>

>

>

> Inge

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: <[log in to unmask]>

>

> To: <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>

>

> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:38 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC: Russia

>

>

>

> Hi Inge,

>

> Interesting. I was in Moscow a year ago, and with the exception of 
the

>

> Red Square area, what we found pretty much agreed with your initial

>

> expectations—I am sorry to say.

>

> Of the 65 engineers I lectured to, a grand total of 5 spoke passable

>

> English.

>

> No evidence of anything but Cyrillic signs everywhere, including the

>

> Moscow airport.

>

> Attached you find my travelog from that trip.

>

>

> Werner

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

>

> From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>

>

> To: [log in to unmask]

>

> Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2009 3:22 pm

>

> Subject: [TN] NTC: Russia

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Hi all,

>

>

> am back after a couple of weeks by boat all along Volga river. 
Visited

>

> many

>

> places, from small villages to Moskow.

>

>

> Remarkable how brainwashed and indoctrinated I've been despite TV

>

> programs,

>

> books, films etc. I still thought that mobile phones wouldn't work

>

> everywhere, expected rusty Ladas, slammering trams, flimmering TVs, a

>

> KBG

>

> man following me when taking photos near a military missile area,

>

> greyish

>

> and wrecky houses, shops with more or less empty desks, 25 year old

>

> passenger aircrafts,  rusty railway trains, stinking diesel trains,

>

> suspicioius people when shooting around with my digi cameras etc. 
What

>

> a

>

> wrong image I had in my head. All quite opposite. Mobile worked

>

> everywhere,

>

> even hundreds of kilometers from nearest community (masts 
everywhere),

>

> more

>

> new cars than what I have seen anywhere else, super modern trains, 
that

>

> you

>

> will not find anywhere in the US,  latest flatscreen TVs, noone

>

> interested

>

> in my sneeking around, I could  walk straight into KGBs headquarter 
if

>

> I

>

> wanted, the defense ministery had no fences around the huge building, 
I

>

> walked with camera lifted just outside the President's office 
building

>

> (the

>

> guardsmen took no notice) ,  modern diesel engines, advertisments of 
a

>

> size

>

> I've never seen before, e.g. a 10,000 sq meter announcement for

>

> Mercedes

>

> Benz. More moderna cash machines than what we have, everything

>

> computerized.

>

> American music everywhere, english menues, english announcements,

>

> american

>

> cars,....I thought sometimes that I was in the US, but this was many 
a

>

> times

>

> much better (sorry to say so, but that's what I thought).  No 
forgotten

>

> ghettos like in New Your or Paris or Liverpool, no people hanging

>

> around

>

> doing nothing. No overweighted people. Everywhere a rumbling of

>

> building

>

> machines, caterpillars and cranes. Building, repairing everywhere.  
Of

>

> course, I didn't see whole Russia, but 2,400 kilometers along Volga

>

> gives at

>

> least a good glimpse.

>

>

>

> So, I had to readjust my idea about that country. Furthermore, maybe 
a

>

> very

>

> wrong statement from my view, but I dare say : America, look up...not

>

> far

>

> from here Russia will pass you (I don't speak of military power, 
which

>

> I

>

> have nada insight in,  but welfare.

>

>

>

> This doesn't change my attitude to America, which I like very much, 
but

>

> America got a competitor on my inside.

>

>

>

> Nevertheless, noone will care about what I think or say, I'm just 1 / 
6

>

> 000

>

> 000 000 of the total.

>

>

>

> Inge

>

>

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