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Bev and Richard

How do you suggest we measure to local bow and twist?

Best regards
Lee
J. L. Parker Ph. D.
JLP Consultants LLC
804 779 3389

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bev Christian<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 12:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [TN] Maximum Allowable Bow & Twist for PWB-PCB


  Richard,
  Correct as usual, Richard. This was always a big deal at Nortel where completed circuit packs would have to be slotted into card cages.
  Bev
  On vacation

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Stadem, Richard D. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>; Bev Christian
  Sent: Mon Jul 13 11:06:30 2009
  Subject: RE: [TN] Maximum Allowable Bow & Twist for PWB-PCB

  Bev, I totally agree with you, but the point they are getting at in IPC
  2221 is that no section of the PWB should have more than .75% per inch
  as a rate of warpage, extending in both the X and Y directions, after
  reflow. This is because if you have more warpage than that you are
  putting a stress on the resultant solder joints that leads to a
  reduction in reliability, especially with a lead-free joint and also
  especially if you need to straighten the CCA when mounting it into a
  chassis or frame.
  I think this specification, like so many others that were based on
  leaded solder, should be revisited for unleaded solders.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:24 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Subject: Re: [TN] Maximum Allowable Bow & Twist for PWB-PCB

  I contend this is old school and if you aren't measuring warpage at
  reflow temperatures how do you know you aren't suffering from head on
  pillow?

  I suggest the term head in pillow be dropped because you don't actually
  put your head IN a pillow.

  Bev
  RIM

  PS Waiting for my Dewism.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard
  Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:20 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Subject: Re: [TN] Maximum Allowable Bow & Twist for PWB-PCB

  IPC-2221 5.2.4
  ...
  Unless otherwise specified by master drawing, max bow and twist shall be
  0.75% for boards that use surface mount components and 1.5% for all
  other board technologies.
  ...
  Values are measured as per IPC-TM-650 Method 2.4.22


  Genny Gibbard, P. Eng
  Manufacturing Engineer, Vecima
  PTS dept. x.4229

  -----Original Message-----
  From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Victor Hernandez
  Sent: July 10, 2009 2:15 PM
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Subject: [TN] Maximum Allowable Bow & Twist for PWB-PCB

  What is the maximum allowable Bow & Twist value? Not able to locate in
  IPC-2221, 2222, & 6012A

  Victor,

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