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Hi Inge,



I wouldn't say that that "procedure" (firing people) over here (in Canada) civilized. I'd say it's done the same way: a few minutes between the announcement and departure.



Vladimir

SENTEC

11 Canadian Road, Unit 7.

Scarborough, ON M1R 5G1

Tel: (416) 899-1882

Fax: (905) 882-8812

www.sentec.ca





-----Original Message-----

From: Inge <[log in to unmask]>



Date:         Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:59:42 

To: <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: [TN] NTC RE: [TN] On the way to being unemployed....





I don't say everything is better in Europe, but the pervert US way to fire 

people is very seldom heard of.here. In many countries there would be a riot 

if someone was laid off the american way. I like US but you have some sides 

that I would characterize as uncivilized. Abraham Lincoln should not signed 

the declaration without some good paragraphs about how to treat workers. But 

the human line when laying off workers is not old in Europe. It's not many 

years ago when a worker had nearly no rights at all. I don't know what time 

the 'civilized' behaviour began, probably after the WW2. What I find 

remarkable is that there is such a difference between the US and Canada. How 

come? I don't have enought insight about Canada, but I have a feeling that 

Canada got the best from the US and the best from old Europe. Is there 

someone who thinks the same?



Inge





----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Bev Christian" <[log in to unmask]>

To: <Te

Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 8:07 PM

Subject: [TN] NTC RE: [TN] On the way to being unemployed....





OR a company can do it as well as can be expected.  For instance, when I got

laid off by Fiberglas Canada (Owens Corning subsidiary) in 1989, they:

1) Let us know in advance by several weeks that a lay off was coming

2) Told us why it was coming

3) Did it all within a couple of hours

4) Had our own managers tell us individually

5) Immediately assigned us to a counselor from the moment we left the

manager's office

6) Quickly took us to a room with said counselor and 7 of our compatriots

where we could talk about how we felt and to explain what was next

7) Gave us two weeks to clean out our offices on company time

8) Gave us a three day course on how to look for work (I still have that

binder.), with mock taped interviews, etc.

9) Set us all up in an office (an old bank, ironically) for three months

with a table, phone, no charge for long distance phone calls, a secretary,

photocopier and several daily newspapers of major Canadian cities.

10) Oh, and one month's severance for every year worked and half a month's

pay if there was an additional half month worked.



My manager was the perfect English gentleman throughout.  I remember that

one other manager broke down giving his purchasing agent the bad news.  But

the good part is the guy getting laid off, who had been with the company

since high school, got severance for, I think, about 15 years of service.

Then they brought him back full time within a few months, then laid him off

again, gave him a full severance, brought him back a third time and then

laid him off and AGAIN gave him a full severance from the time he had

originally joined the company.  Talk about making out like a bandit!



For myself I then a got a great job with Nortel that I stayed at for ten

years, nine and a half wonderful years and six months of crap, but that's

another story.



Bev

On vacation











-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R Sedlak

Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 4:47 PM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: [TN] On the way to being unemployed....



The thing that most people lose track of is that, at the end of the day, the

corporation needs good people more than the people need a specific

corporation...



I have been in this sort of situation a number of times, and have managed to

dodge the bullet by going out BEFORE being laid off, and finding a job, and

then going to management, and saying that as much as I LOVE this place, and

do not want to leave, I must, unless I get a guarantee, in writing, that I

will not be laid off for at least a year. I got the guarantee in one case,

and in the other, got to walk out (to a new job) a week ahead of when I

would have been laid off.



The concept is best described as being pro-active, or Carpe Diem?

Rudy Sedlak

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