LEADFREE Archives

July 2009

Leadfree@IPC.ORG

Options: Use Monospaced Font
Show Text Part by Default
Show All Mail Headers

Message: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Topic: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]
Author: [<< First] [< Prev] [Next >] [Last >>]

Print Reply
Subject:
From:
Werner Engelmaier /* <[log in to unmask]>
Reply To:
(Leadfree Electronics Assembly Forum)
Date:
Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:30:10 -0400
Content-Type:
text/plain
Parts/Attachments:
text/plain (355 lines)
 Hi Marcus,

My blog, and others, can be found at <blog.ipc.org>

I also write reliability columns in Global SMT & Packaging magazine dealing with related subject matters.

Werner

 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus L. Thompson <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [LF] [RoHSUSAPushback] Update on H.B. 2420









Good day, Werner. 
 

Could you provide a link to your recent blog entry for the community to 
follow? 
 

Thanks. 
 


Marcus Thompson 
 


--- Previous Message in This Thread --- 

Subject: Re:[LF] [RoHSUSAPushback] Update on H.B. 2420 

From: Werner Engelmaier /* <[log in to unmask]> 

To: [log in to unmask] 

Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009 9:27:08 AM 
 

>  Hi Bob, 

> 
> Thanks for the feedback. 

> 
> Unfortunately, it is ignorant remark like the one you are quoting, that gets the whole industry into trouble. 

> 
> It is were dangerous to judge the rest of the industry of one's limited perspective—see my recent blog in the IPC blogs. 

> 
> Werner 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 

> 
> From: Bob Landman <[log in to unmask]> 

> 
> To: [log in to unmask] 

> 
> Sent: Sat, Jul 18, 2009 11:25 am 

> 
> Subject: Re: [LF] [RoHSUSAPushback] Update on H.B. 2420 

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Colleagues: 

> 
> This past week I attended a SMTA/IEEE joint meeting on lead free manufacturing.  
> 
> The presenters statements, as well as those in attendance, except for myself a 
> 
> few others, were sanguine about the reliability of lead free manufacturing 
> 
> today.  A statement was made by a reliability engineer with many years 
> 
> experience that there was no reliability concerns now that lead has been 
> 
> eliminated except perhaps for NASA space projects because “most electronics has 
> 
> a useful life of 3 years”.   The agenda of the meeting:  July_2009_SMTA-IEEE 
> 
> joint_meeting - Hudson NH.pdf 

> 
> Are you all prepared to toss the electronics you have purchased in 3-5 years 
> 
> since the RoHS law came into effect?  Willing to role the dice?   What about all 
> 
> the extremely expensive test equipment being purchased today (from Agilent, 
> 
> Tektronix, Teradyne, etc..)   It is all lead free now.  Is there really nothing 
> 
> to worry about? 

> 
> Are you 
> saying to yourself “I doubt it will happen to me”?  What convinced you?  
> 
> Where’s the evidence?  On what is your level of confidence based?  Isn’t it so 
> 
> that lead-free electronics is in its infancy?  Hasn’t the literature made it 
> 
> clear it takes years to show the failures (and they may be intermittent failures 
> 
> which are very=2
0hard to find)?   
> 
> How about that new car you just purchased that is loaded with electronics (which 
> 
> includes pollution controls, air bag deployment and anti-lock brakes).  How 
> 
> about that rapid transit train you ride to work every day in that is controlled 
> 
> by electronics?  Did you see the pictures of the crash of the Wash DC Metro a 
> 
> few weeks ago?  That was blamed on a failure of the control system. 

> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/14/us/14rail.html   WASHINGTON — A single broken 
> 
> part probably caused last month’s deadly train crash here, the National 
> 
> Transportation Safety Boardhinted Monday, as it issued an urgent recommendation 
> 
> to local and federal authorities to evaluate similar systems around the country 
> 
> for “adequate safety redundancy.” 

> 
> More than ever before, technology is connected to our lives in a very intimate 
> 
> way.  Someone you know has a pacemaker.  Cardiac pacemakers have failed due to 
> 
> tin whiskers – did you know that?  The FDA recalled them -   
> 
> 2008-Brusse-Pacemaker Committee-Metal Whiskers.pdf 

> 
> There have been many recent articles on the sub 

> ject which clearly indicate that 
> 
> tin whiskering is still a concern.   Here are links to them so you can judge for 
> 
> yourselves.  (or do you not want to know, you want to maintain your lead-free 
> 
> innocence?) 
> 
> Several=2
0quotes come to mind as I reflected on what I was hearing that evening… 

> 
> Mark Twain said ““It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's 
> 
> what you know for sure that just ain't so.” 

> 
> Louis Pasteur noted that “In the fields of observation chance favors only the 
> 
> prepared mind”. 

> 
>  
> 
> 1)   APEX 09 Bare Board Material Performance after Pb-free Reflow 
> 
> -presentation.pdf (excellent very detailed study of reliability of lead free pc 
> 
> boards) 

> 
> 2)   apex tin mitigation Lesniewski.pdf  (suggestions on how to mitigate (not 
> 
> eliminate) tin whiskering) 

> 
> 3)   NASA_DoD LFE Project-June-24-2009_SN whisker tele.pdf  (excellent 
> 
> presentation by Kurt Kessel of NASA Kennedy on extended life testing of 
> 
> lead-free mfg) 

> 
> 4)   The Pb-free Manhattan project.pdf  (why is this proposed $60M project 
> 
> necessary?) 

> 
> 5)    Borgesen_Lead_free_reliability.pdf  (Borgeson notes here how one can be 
> 
> deceived by the design of experiment into thinking all is well with lead free 
> 
> mfg) 

> 
> 6)   Developing a NASA Lead-Free Policy for Electroncs_Lessons Learned.pdf 

> 
> 7)   Pb-free DoD brochure.pdf  and DID for LFCP DI-MGMT-81772.doc  (DOD cautions 
> 
> to be aware of lead-free problems) 

> 
> NASA also has quite a collection of 

>  articles at this link 
http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/  
> 
> 
> 
> Bob Landman, President 

> 
> Senior Member, IEEE 

> 
> IEEE Power & Energy/Reliability Societies 

> 
> H&L Instruments, LLC 

> 
> www.hlinstruments.com 

> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Leadfee 
> 
> Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d 

> 
> To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in 

> 
> the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree 

> 
> To temporarily stop/(start) delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET 
> 
> Leadfree NOMAIL/(MAIL) 

> 
> Search previous postings at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives 

> 
> Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for 
> 
> additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 
> 
> 847-615-7100 ext.2815 

> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------Leadfee Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d 

> To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in 

> the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree 

> To temporarily stop/(start) delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET Leadfree NOMAIL/(MAIL) 

> Search previous postings at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives 

> Please visit IPC web
 site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 

>  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Leadfee Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d 

To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in 

the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree 

To temporarily stop/(start) delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET Leadfree NOMAIL/(MAIL) 

Search previous postings at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives 

Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 



 


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Leadfee Mail List provided as a service by IPC using LISTSERV 1.8d
To unsubscribe, send a message to [log in to unmask] with following text in
the BODY (NOT the subject field): SIGNOFF Leadfree
To temporarily stop/(start) delivery of Leadree for vacation breaks send: SET Leadfree NOMAIL/(MAIL)
Search previous postings at: http://listserv.ipc.org/archives
Please visit IPC web site http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?Pageid=4.3.16 for additional information, or contact Keach Sasamori at [log in to unmask] or 847-615-7100 ext.2815
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ATOM RSS1 RSS2