I agree with you; planes, like automobiles and just about everything
else, have no clear pedigree anymore.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Fenner
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:50 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Test
I also take "pride" if that's the word in my own place. So when I see RR
on
the engines of any plane I'm pleased. I also note that the wings of
Airbus -
and many other planes - are designed and built in UK. Also large part of
avionics, undercarriages and stuff. So wings, avionics, engines, what
else
is there? Actually there is so much work sharing/offsetting to get
customer
contracts these days that I think you would be hard put to say that a
Boeing
or Airbus comes from anywhere in particular. For example recently Boeing
successfully lobbied a major US defence contract for Air refuelling be
cancelled because it went to Airbus/EADS and therefore abroad, not
patriotic, national security, etc. In fact higher proportion of the work
would have been done in US than in Boeing's proposal (just not by
Boeing).
Regards
Mike
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Fjelstad
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Test
:-)
In a message dated 6/3/2009 2:26:44 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
"If it's not Boeing. I'm not going."
Of course I grew up in the Pacific NW so must admit that's mostly a
regional pride thing. :-)
At 02:10 PM 6/3/2009, Joe Fjelstad wrote:
>Hi Bob,
>
>I recall several folks making such comments over time on this forum
an
>elsewhere. I have personally attempted refrained from making sweeping
>statements but I know folks out there with very strong opinions. I
>like flying on
>Boeing planes because I once worked for Boeing and know the quality
of
the
>plane and the evaluation systems (in general) but I fly Airbus when
that
is
>the equipment being used knowing that I am not going to live forever,
nor
>am I going to live in blind fear either.
>
>I note that Doug added a comment that is important. The military and
>aerospace are exempt but the suppliers of the component they use are
not
and
>they are not interested in carrying two inventories for part numbers.
>
>There has been much discussion about the compatibility (or lack
thereof)
>of tin-lead and lead-free. Werner has mentioned how trying to solve
the
>problem by reballing may well be taking reliability in the opposite
>direction
>due to the additional high temperature thermal cycles. And tin
whiskers?
I
>note that there are new conferences that are focusing on this topic.
The
>list goes on...
>
>It is a thorny problem that seems not to have any clean resolution,
save,
>perhaps, a return to the sanity of science based decision making
relative
to
> electronics manufacturing rather than hasty emotional, poorly
thought
out
>reasons from self serving politicians.
>
>So it goes...
>
>Best wishes
>Joe
>
>
>In a message dated 6/3/2009 10:56:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
>
>Joe, several years ago, at PCB West, I attended a session which I
>believe was a panel discussion on RoHS topics. A comment was made
at
>that time about the new Airbus being certified as lead-free and one
of
>the panel members made the observation that as long as that was the
>case, he'd never get on board an Airbus. You were on that panel, and
I
>was just curious if you remember that.
>
>
>Bob
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe Fjelstad
>Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:38 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] Test
>
>Thanks Steve
>
>
>This was both sad event and very sobering.
>
>
>I recall hearing a few years back of data being presented indicating
>that shock and vibration resistance goes down for lead-free solders
>over time with use.
>
>Has this been repeated, verified or seen by anyone else?
>
>Joe
>
>
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