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Hence my last two sentences that are standard drawing notes for those who don't wear coats like the rest of us.
Dewey

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dean Stadem
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Subject: Re: [TN] Conformal coating coverage

But some conformal coatings do not adhere to certain materials,
therefore a blanket declaration becomes problematic. To fully comply can
be very costly, with no value added.

R. Dean Stadem
Consulting Engineer
Analog Technologies Corp./Lumagine, Inc.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Douglas Pauls
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Conformal coating coverage

I agree with Richard who agrees with Dewey......

As others have indicated, it is very much an "it depends" type of 
proposition, including factors like design life, consequences of
failure, 
hostility of the end use environment, the materials involved, etc.  A 
generic document like A-610 or J-STD-001 can't address all the multitude

of factors, so the engineering drawing  has to predominate.

That issue has come up here internally before.  An example:  If, in the 
process of machine spray coating, we leave a very narrow strip of the
top 
of a ceramic DIP package uncoated.  Is this a defect?  Yes, per the 
drawing and our requirements.  Will there be any degradation in 
reliability as a result of not coating that narrow strip. Probably not. 
Ceramic, or even the epoxy of plastic encapsulated microcircuits are 
better insulators than conformal coating.  But, if you allow that narrow

strip, you then have to determine how much you can leave uncoated
without 
impacting reliability.  What are the tolerances?  How do you measure it?

Does it depend on the application?  Our engineering department does not 
want to spend the money for what would certainly be a massive study to 
determine this.  Hence, 100% coverage is specified on our drawings. 

Doug Pauls
Rockwell Collins



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Thanks, I like that language, Dewey. 
In any case, to help Ioan in his initial question; there can be no 
concrete, comprehensive standard that works for everything when it comes

to conformal coating. The requirements need to be tailored AABUS. They 
seldom work perfectly as defined on the print during the first build,
thus 
the "out card" where any deviations are documented, adjudicated, and 
approved by the customer before shipping the assemblies.

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Subject: Re: [TN] Conformal coating coverage

I changed Richard's note to be in line with the new approach. After it I

added a note I add to all drawings that may have need of the wiggle room

or a get-out-of-jail-free card.

The conformal coating requirements shall be defined and documented on
the 
PBA (printed board assembly) drawing.

Deviations to these requirements shall be AABUS.

 

Conformal coating may or may not be present in non-critical laminate
areas 
of the PB (printed board) or on the top and side of non-critical, 
non-conductive surfaces of large scale packages, unless otherwise 
specified. This exception is for the coating coverage requirement and 
shall not be used to accept uncoated areas due to bubbles, voids and
other 
workmanship issues. 

 

Dewey

 

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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Conformal coating coverage

 

That may not be covered under any standard, because the requirements for

CC coverage vary by component, assembly, program, customer, and usage 
requirements.

Usually, coating over the component body has no value added, as most 
component bodies are impervious to moisture. The primary purpose of the
CC 
is to prevent moisture buildup on the metal terminations and solder 
connections on the CCA. 

The coating requirements need to be defined and agreed upon between the 
user and the supplier (AABUS) and documented on the CCA drawing. They
are 
unique and specific to the product.

 

 

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ioan Tempea

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:51 AM

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Subject: [TN] Conformal coating coverage

 

Dear Technos,

 

 

 

Since the PCB edges have been already discussed, I would like to get
your 
input on tall components coverage. Do tall parts, like radial TH parts, 
inductors, electrolytic caps, etc. need to have the vertical sides
coated? 
What about the coils with apparent windings?

 

 

 

IPC-610 is not detailed at all at this level and I have quickly browsed 
IPC-HDBK-830 without being able to find anything. What would be the IPC
or 
MIL standard covering this particular issue?

 

 

 

Thank you, 

 

 

 

Ioan Tempea, ing.

 

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