Doug,
Excellent point....perhaps I should have stated "originating from hi-rel
applications" instead of "deeply entrenched military requirement".....I too
have seem some odd customer requests. Between all of us, we could likely
fill this forum for days. One of my long-time favorites has been to
explain why you can't "guarantee" standard UR coating will coat all the
leads under a nearly-flush-mounted 55-pin 38999 connector.
-Kevin
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Kevin,
I don't know that I would go as far as to say it is a deeply entrenched
military requirement. For the aerospace industry, Boeing, Airbus, Sikorsky,
etc., can be just as demanding in their commercial requirements as any of
our military customers. As my esteemed colleague, Mr. Hillman, is fond of
saying, we don't have a switch on the solder machine that selects between
military solder joints and commercial solder joints. Same philosophy
applies to conformal coating. We don't coat a military assembly any
different (well, in most cases) than we do a commercial assembly. In fact,
because many of our military boxes are more nearly hermetic in design, vs.
the open construction of commercial boxes, the challenge to the conformal
coating is often greater for the commercial hardware. Our commercial
customers put some pretty odd requirements in their packages when they come
to us. Enough to make me wonder sometimes what they were sniffing when
drafting the design package. Sometimes the customer has wanted us to coat
the edges because they could not give us a tolerance on how close to the
edge we had to be with the coating. Others have indicated that they thought
it gave them greater insurance that the edge of the coating will not
delaminate during thermal cycling if the coating lapped over the edge.
Again, not really traceable to a failure anywhere, but that is what the
customer wants.
Doug Pauls
Rockwell Collins
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Many thanks, as always, to all for responding.
This confirms what I suspected - no real documented industry requirement or
recommendation, but instead a deeply entranched military "requirement" that
became somewhat of a standard practice. Of course like anything, there is
no "one size fits all" rule for all the different applications. In the end,
a little extra protection can't hurt, with exception of the card guides and
tight fits.
Thanks,
Kevin Glidden
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For our applications, the card guides are metal and are not coated so as not
to interfere with card insertion into rail guides. Same as you.
I would agree that coating the edges is usually overkill. I would be hard
pressed to find an example of failures attributed to lack of coating on an
edge of a board. But it would be too hard to roll that boulder up the hill.
Speaking as one who has tried it and been flattened by the boulder.
Painfully. Repeatedlly.
Doug Pauls
Rockwell Collins
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In my previous employment we built military electronics systems,
airborne and shipboard, and in most cases masked off the board edges
before coating to allow the boards to slide into various types of card
guides or clamps. I never recall a failure attributable to moisture
intrusion through the card edges, and we used to see some amazing
failures in our legacy products.
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Kevin,
For our applications, if the board is coated, the edges of the board are
coated as well, except in certain situations, such as where connectors
are
at the edge of the board. Why? Well, the time honored "we have always
done it this way".
Part of the rationale is that at the board edge, you have the glass
bundles of the laminate exposed and water can potentially wick into
those
glass bundles, creating problems over the long haul. In most cases, I
think that if the boards are routed from the panel, the routing process
tends to seal the edges and conformal coat is not needed. However, if
you
are shearing or punching the board out, then those fibers are not sealed
(in my opinion) and should be coated to seal the edges.
In order for me to change that stance, I would have to have to prove to
our ever skeptical design engineers that not coating a board edge will
never create a problem in any environment for any of the 20-30 years
design life we use on any product we have ever made. Then change an
entire corporate culture.
I am already burned in effigy 2-3 times per week.
Doug Pauls
Rockwell Collins
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No takers on this one, so maybe I will reword it...
How many are requiring conformal coat application to PCB edges, and why?
Thanks!
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Can anyone point me to an industry document where this is mentioned /
required / recommended, or is this left entirely up to choice?
I believe most consider this a good and desirable thing?
How do automated selective spray systems accomplish this?
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