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In order to give you an meaningful answer I think we need
Wayne,



In order to give you an meaningful answer I think we need more

information from your side.



1. Where the capacitors wave soldered or reflow soldered?

2. What type of flux was used?

3. What solvent was used?

4. What type of cleaning process was used?



Regards,

George

George M. Wenger

Andrew Solutions

Senior Principal FMA/Reliability Engineer

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-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Glidden

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:24 AM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [TN] humidity test failure



Looks like whatever it is it may have started from residues leaching

from

UNDER the component.  The voltage bias and environment would have only

accelerated this.   The solder joints exposed to the cleaning process

look

fine.  You should review your cleaning procedures and perform testing

(IC/SIR) to determine if you are adequately cleaning, rinsing, and

drying to

remove contaminants from under low-standoff components.  My suspicion is

that if that is in fact the case, and you decided to try to conformal

coat,

the problem would have only manifested itself sooner with conformal coat

adhesion problems.  





-----Original Message-----

From: Steve Gregory [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 

Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:00 AM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: Re: [TN] humidity test failure



Good Morning!



Half the week down already. That's another nice thing about 3-day

weekends;

you also get a 4-day work week either prior to, or after the weekend.



I have Wayne's picture posted now. It's at:

 

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/C23_Humidity_failure.JPG



Definitely some kinda' junk there!



Steve



-----Original Message-----

From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Thayer, Wayne

Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:01 PM

To: [log in to unmask]

Subject: [TN] humidity test failure



Hi Technet Gurus!



I have attached a picture of a part responsible for excess current draw

during an extended humidity/temperature cycling test. (I copied Steve so

he

can hopefully post!)



The board was carefully solvent cleaned, but no SIR test validating the

process strips all ionic contamination.  The board is in an enclosure

where

plenty of ionic contaminants are available.



Humidity was supposed to not exceed 90% and was to be non-condensing

during

cycling.  There were a handful of components which displayed similar

deposits on the same circuit board.  These were the only parts biased

during

the humidity test.  I believe the evidence suggests at least some

condensation occurred.  To me the deposits look like salts.

But what do "the experts" think?



Is there any rule of thumb as to humidity levels where we are nuts to

try to

survive without conformal coating?  Part of the adjacent circuitry

contains

RF devices and those guys get panic-stricken when told we probably need

to

conformal coat!



Wayne Thayer



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