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Dear Werner:

 

     XIEXIE! 谢谢!

I have checked all the documentations in my company and finally got this
value, the recommended hole roughness in IPC-DR-572A is 25 um (1 mil), and
it is not a non-mandatory value. my products are usual memory modules, the
hole diameter is 9.8mil and thickness is around 1 mm, the AVG copper
thickness is 0.8mil, so the roughness is ok regarding to my products.

 

   Thanks!

Winning

 

 

-----邮件原件-----
发件人: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 代表 Werner Engelmaier /*
发送时间: 2009年5月18日 23:21
收件人: [log in to unmask]
主题: Re: [TN] 答复: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf lif e

 

 Nee hao Winning,

Sorry, I do not have IPC-DR-572; however, you can directly get it from
www.ipc.org.

More importantly, you need to decide for your product what you need from a
technical perspective---that depends on hole diameter, PCB thickness, Cu
plating thickness, assembly proces(ses), etc.

Werner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: ee <[log in to unmask]>

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Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:22 am

Subject:  [TN] 答复: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello Werner:

 

 

 

   I am wining from China, and need your help for below issue.

 

   I knew you via my trainer on my IPC training course, and you are always

help others in this forum, now, I meet a problem and need your help to

solve, could you send me a softcopy of IPC-DR-572 which contains the

regulations for hole roughness(1 mil).

 

 

 

   Thanks

   Winning

 

 

 

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发件人: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 代表 Werner Engelmaier /*

发送时间: 2009年5月18日 19:43

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主题: Re: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

 Hi John,

 

There are no guarantees, beyond a date code, in either buying direct versus

distributors.

 

Werner

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; [log in to unmask]

 

Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 8:18 pm

 

Subject: Re: [TN]

 Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks. did you have any ideas about the shelf life of the components and

buying direct versus distributors for the reasons listed?

 

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From: "Werner Engelmaier /*" <[log in to unmask]>

 

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Sent: Saturday, May 9, 2009 3:07:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 

Subject: Re: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

?John,

 

What needs to be always understood is the fact that you do NOT solder to any

of the surface finishes like tin, silver, gold palladium, etc. but to the

metal these surface finishes are protecting.

 

So, the profiles need to be adjusted for the Liquidus temperature of the

solder alloy and to a lesser extent to the the solubility of the metal

soldered to in the solder. The latter means that if you solder to nickel

[ENIG, Alloy 42] you may need to run a somewhat higher peak reflow T.

 

Werner

 

 

 

 

 

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-----Original Message-----

 

From: Bev Christian <[log in to unmask]>

 

To: [log in to unmask]

 

Sent: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:30 am

 

Subject: Re: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

John,

 

I had a little trouble understanding part of your e-mail, but I think I got

the 

 

gist of it. No, you do not need a different reflow profile for good tin

parts 

 

any more than you need a different profile for silver, gold or palladium 

 

finishe

d components. You either have oxidized parts, dirty parts, bad paste,

 

 

wonky profile. Other TechNetters will have other suggestions I'm sure. 

 

Bev

 

RIM

 

 

 

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From: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>

 

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Sent: Sat May 09 11:03:43 2009

 

Subject: [TN] Rohs SMT parts and shelf life

 

 

 

My concern is that when purchasing buys directly from the manufacturer use

know 

 

the date of manufacture. 

 

 

 

When you buy from a component distributor or when you have to build from 

 

consigned parts supplied by the customer you don't know the date of

manufacture 

 

and have no idea how the parts were stored and repackaged. 

 

 

 

We?would like?to generate an Iso procedure relative to this issue and would

like 

 

some advice. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I'm seeing are circuits boards that have been reflowing perfectly for? 

 

quite some time are now built with more and more components that are plated

with 

 

100% tin. Soldering to tin with a eutectic?OA solder paste shouldn't cause a

 

 

problem if the?leads or termination on QFNs,?a bigger problem?are not

oxidized 

 

or contaminated. 

 

 

 

I checked on the internet to see if?you need to adjust the profile when 

 

soldering to tin coated parts with? eutectic solder but found nothing. You

get 

 

two?sets of profile families, one for eutectic and one for?Pb-free. Nothing

for 

 

a mix so I'm leaning toward a contamination or age problem. ?? 

 

 

 

Thanks for any help you can

 offer. 

 

 

 

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