Yes, paragraph
"3.3.2 Decimal sign
"The decimal sign is a comma on the line.
"If the magnitude of the number is less than unity, the decimal sign
should be preceded by a zero.
"NOTE 17 In documents in the English language, a dot is often used
instead of a comma. If a dot is used, it should be on the line. In
accordance with an ISO Council decision, the decimal sign is a comma in
ISO documents."
GOOD: 0,32 m
ACCEPTABLE (in English only): 0.32 m
NEVER ACCEPTABLE: .32 m; ,32 m; 0,32m; 0.32m; ,32m; .32m
It's as simple as that!
Brian
Steven Creswick wrote:
> Brian,
>
> Thanks for the link. Actually, what you say makes total sense. It is like placing the zero before a decimal number instead of just leaving it off.
>
> Eg. "0.000" vs ".000"
>
> I like the zero there! Is that covered as well?
>
> Thanks for the lesson in 'numerical grammar'
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:36 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric Directive)
>
> ISO 31-0:1992(E) Section 3.4 is unequivocal about the space being
> mandatory. The ONLY exceptions are °, ' and " to designate plane angles
> but °C for temperatures require the space. Various examples are given.
> This document is worth the purchase as it points out many common errors.
>
> Brian
>
> Phil Nutting wrote:
>> Brian,
>>
>> So there is a standard for the space between the number and the unit. We have had an ongoing "battle" over this. Probably from our sloppy and lazy habits as "colonials".
>>
>> Specifically which standard is this located within?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Phil Nutting
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:17 AM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric Directive)
>>
>> Yes, but your 'une livre de carottes' (unless you wanted a book on the
>> subject!) would not have weighed 456 g or whatever but 500 g. The old
>> units have been rounded into the metric system, where they are still
>> used. There is one exception: une livre de pain is now 450 g (because
>> the moulds the bakers used were too small to take 500 g, so they rounded
>> it down to the nearest 50 g).
>>
>> For the anecdote, I was at a farmers' market, here in Cyprus, a few
>> years ago and there was an ancient lady flogging some magnificent
>> potatoes, I would guess well into the 90s. I jokingly asked her, in my
>> best Greek, for an oke (about 1.3 kg, a unit that was inherited here
>> from the Ottomans but remained ± current until the 1950s). She put some
>> in a bag and weighed them (just under 1.4 kg) without turning a single
>> white hair or batting a wrinkled eyelid. She then said to me, with a
>> toothless grin, that will be 88 piastres (currency that went out in
>> 1954, 180 piastres to the Cyprus pound). I did a quick bit of mental
>> arithmetic and paid her €0.83. I must have made her day, as her grin
>> turned into a big smile and she added another three large spuds into the
>> bag, with efharistos all round!
>>
>> Seriously though, there is one thing that really does get my goat and
>> you, Mike, and many others here, commit the heinous crime of omitting
>> the space between the value and the unit as is explained very clearly in
>> the same ISO spec (31-0) as the SI system of units (50mm x 25mm, instead
>> of the correct 50 mm x 25 mm). There is a VERY good reason for this
>> space and that is because many typefaces differentiate little between 1
>> and l or 0 and O. Does 5.71m mean 5.7 lumens or 5.71 metres? 5.71 m is
>> totally unambiguous.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Mike Fenner wrote:
>>> Well one or the other is OK and preferable to where we are in UK.
>>> We have been converting for years and are presently stuck in the middle. So
>>> we use miles, feet /mm, pounds grams, and celsius/centigrade/fahrenhet,
>>> pints and litres as we see fit. Example; I bought 5 x 6 feet lengths of50mm
>>> x 25mm wood this weekend. Luckily all science and technology is strictly
>>> metric.
>>>
>>> What you find is that young people who were taught only metric still think
>>> in vague Imperial as you say, but they don't know the crazy parts like how
>>> many ounces in a pound, or how many pounds in a ton.
>>> How long before we completely change? Last time I went to a French veggie
>>> market they understood un livre de..... sil vous plait. [a pound of
>>> ......please] quite well. And they have been at it since about 1780
>>> something. Or maybe they made special condescension for Ancient Brit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Ps: pleasestay Imperial till I get my old car finished. All my nuts ,bolts
>>> spanners etc come originally from US suppliers
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of bob wettermann
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:36 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric
>>> Directive)
>>>
>>> Has anyone asked someone currently in grade school how much they weigh?How
>>> tall thy are? How far away something is? The answers are always in english
>>> units. Any time the school system works on teaching our kids how to convert
>>> units there a giant waste of precious teaching time!!!! Until this changes
>>> american companies will have a workforce that is behind the rest of the
>>> world that speaks metric! This is a barrier for the technical trades, social
>>> issues (try to order a pint of beer in Italy) and for international trade
>>> (it is an artificl trade barrier for goods coming into the US).
>>>
>>> Bob Wettermann
>>> PH 847-767-5745
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 7:01:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric
>>> Directive)
>>>
>>> I'll plead the fifth.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
>>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:22 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric
>>> Directive)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Er..........the engineers have taken to drinking liters instead of pints
>>> to
>>> fall in line with it ............a very wavy line at that......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Burke
>>>
>>> (408) 515 4992
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Nutting
>>>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:20 PM
>>>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>> Subject: [TN] European Union Council Directive 80/181/EEC (Metric
>>> Directive)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have any of your companies started to convert to meet this EU Directive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Nutting
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Burke
>>>
>>> (408) 515 4992
>>>
>>>
>>>
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