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Thanks Graham
 
Interesting indeed. The professor created quite an interesting  scenario. A 
lot of assumptions about how observant, resourceful  and clever  folks were 
back in those days and what they might be doing when  they were not busy 
getting themselves fed, clothed, watching the kids, fighting  with others and 
keeping warm (then again they did not have the  television to distract them 
;-)
 
This now to resolve/relate another ancient measure, the cubit, and the  
megalithic yard. 
 
From the web: 
 
"Eastman's bible dictionary says there are at least 2 measures for the term 
 "cubit":

Standard cubit = elbow to end of middle finger  (~20").
Lower forearm cubit = elbow to base of the hand (~12").

So if a cubit is a foot then it is possible that the megalithic yard could  
be 3 cubits and the cubit (which is easily discovered/derived and very  
transportable :-) could also have been used as a measure that would also  
possibly explain the commonality to my thinking 
 
The problem with the cubit is that it changes over time. People used to  be 
of smaller stature. 
 
Is it Friday yet?... ;-)  
 
Cheers, 
Joe
 
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2009 5:31:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
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Louis et  al

The history of measurement goes far back in time.

If anyone  has the interest go read:  
http://www.robertlomas.com/megyard/index.html

I find it a fascinating  subject and keep my mind wide open to  
alternative  considerations.

Graham Naisbitt
Gen3 Systems

On 14 Apr 2009,  at 17:06, Louis Hart wrote:

> Joe, et al, If I am correct, the US  has been using international  
> units officially since 1890. At  that time, I believe the Imperial  
> units were legally defined in  terms of the metric ones. (For  
> whatever good that  did.)
>
> I largely refuse to use the Imperial units, unless  asked, as many  
> people, including engineers, often do. My wife  is an artist who also  
> does framing work (with a lot of help  from me). Occasionally, I make  
> a mistake and use the legitimate  excuse that measuring, adding, etc,  
> with the Imperial units  most material suppliers provide set me up  
> for an error. If I  could use International units, chances of an  
> error are  enormously reduced. When I can start measurements from the  
>  beginning, on my own terms, I use international units and feel much   
> more comfortable. So I see, in a very small way at first hand,  some  
> of the cost of using an outmoded system of  units.
>
> Incidentally, I have to admire the surveyors who,  during the French  
> Revolution, went all over the country during  turbulent times with  
> their strange equipment to determine how  big a meter was.
>
> Louis Hart
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe  Fjelstad
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 11:52 AM
> To:  [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] European Union Council Directive  80/181/EEC  
> (Metric Directive)
>
> This is has been  a sore spot for me for some years. Actually, the   
>  Metric
> Convention was signed in Paris on May 20, 1875 by 17  countries,  
> including
> the USA and we continue to move  toward its adoption "inch by inch" ;-)
> Actually  we have been  backsliding and future generation will suffer  
> as a   result,
> especially the fields of science and engineering. There is a  beauty   
> and
> logic to the metric system with  interrelated units of measurement  
> rather  than
>  disparate and arcane units of ancient origins.
>
> The metric  system makes sense where all the others are rooted in
> nonsense....  furlongs per fortnight?  And who can fathom the  
>  fathom?  (actually it is
> from the old  English "faethem"  which means
> outstretched arms  hence the length of the  outstretched arms now  
> taken as 6
> feet but it only   applies to depth in water [sigh] )
>
> There is a timeless poem by  Sam Walter Foss called The Calf Path
>  (http://www.holyjoe.net/poetry/foss3.htm) that is worth reading  and   
> pondering. This
> is especially the case when  one thinks about the  increasingly  
> outdated
>  measurement system we continue to cling to in  the states like some   
> sort of
> security blanket. Unfortunately, a security  blanket  won't help when  
> your
> sinking into the  fathoms as our children will. And so it  goes...
>
> Excuse  the rant.
>
> Joe
>
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